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joey11
Post #16
Monday October 14, 2013 10:08pm

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This will never happen! Put the winter weather aside, (look at Germany, it would have to mirror their schedule,) this would kill the MLS. Everyone mentions the competition they'd be going against with NFL, NBA and NHL (although I don't think NHL would hurt much if at all) but you have NCAA football and basketball. Sure NBCSC may air games but that's it, even stations like MSG, CSN, or FSC will all have local pro and college games. Best you'd see IMO would be late night delay replay. That's just the reality in the US sports market.

skangles
DC
Post #17
Monday October 14, 2013 10:13pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,855
Original post from joey11

This will never happen! Put the winter weather aside, (look at Germany, it would have to mirror their schedule,) this would kill the MLS. Everyone mentions the competition they'd be going against with NFL, NBA and NHL (although I don't think NHL would hurt much if at all) but you have NCAA football and basketball. Sure NBCSC may air games but that's it, even stations like MSG, CSN, or FSC will all have local pro and college games. Best you'd see IMO would be late night delay replay. That's just the reality in the US sports market.


I agree with this. I cannot really even see a positive out of switching other than not having games during major tournaments like the World Cup, Gold Cup and Confederations Cup but the MLS could schedule around these in the current set up if it wanted to.

Bshredder
Post #18
Monday October 14, 2013 10:55pm

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
Bad, bad idea

It does not work with North American weather, and it does not fit within the North American sports landscape

There is nothing really wrong with the way it is.

tylercocinas
Post #19
Tuesday October 15, 2013 1:07am

Joined Aug 2012
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BShred and a sizable portion of soccer fans feel this is a bad idea but the MLS TV ratings are ridiculously low as it stands (0.2-0.3avg). Realistically I don't know if the change would have impact people are forecasting. Not really anywhere to go but up from a ratings perspective. Plus you're still competing with the big American sports either way. During the MLS Playoffs (which are supposed to be the most important matches) you've still got CFB, CBB, NBA, NFL, NHL, and MLB postseason matches going on so it's not like MLS really has any season other than the summer months all to itself.

MSantoine
Post #20
Tuesday October 15, 2013 1:51am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,028
Original post from tylercocinas

BShred and a sizable portion of soccer fans feel this is a bad idea but the MLS TV ratings are ridiculously low as it stands (0.2-0.3avg). Realistically I don't know if the change would have impact people are forecasting. Not really anywhere to go but up from a ratings perspective. Plus you're still competing with the big American sports either way. During the MLS Playoffs (which are supposed to be the most important matches) you've still got CFB, CBB, NBA, NFL, NHL, and MLB postseason matches going on so it's not like MLS really has any season other than the summer months all to itself.


The tv ratings may not be there but thats more due to the fact that espn wont back mls. Look at the average attendence. MLS is like the 7th highest attendence of any soccer league in the world. More people go to an MLS game then an NHL or an NBA game. THose are the numbers that would drop and unless they would gain more than that much in new tv audience (doubtful with added competition) its a bad idea

tylercocinas
Post #21
Tuesday October 15, 2013 2:25am

Joined Aug 2012
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Although MLS draws slightly larger audiences, why are players salaries are much lower than the NBA and NHL? It is in part due to the fact that the revenue generated by the TV contracts for those leagues dwarfs MLS. Additionally, when you consider how much they spend for those other sports properties, is it any wonder ESPN's MLS coverage isn't quite on par with those other two leagues?

I'm not saying its a good or bad idea, but I think people are being too doom and gloom about the whole proposition.

EKneezy
Post #22
Tuesday October 15, 2013 2:49am

Joined May 2013
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The Jamaica-US game got 913,000 viewers. Its gonna take some time till MLS can even get those numbers. They can't compete with the NFL, NBA, CFB, NHL or even MLB's decreasing TV numbers. The new TV deal is crucial.

skangles
DC
Post #23
Tuesday October 15, 2013 2:57am

Joined Jan 2013
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I thought the MLS and NHL TV ratings were very similar but light years behind the be three US professional leagues?

EKneezy
Post #24
Tuesday October 15, 2013 3:20am

Joined May 2013
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Original post from skangles

I thought the MLS and NHL TV ratings were very similar but light years behind the be three US professional leagues?


Yep NHL only slightly. On the 2nd the Caps/Blackhawks game had an average of 935,000 viewers. Peaked at little over a million.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/10/02/b...

According to a Sporting News report from earlier this month, ESPN MLS viewership has fallen from an average of 311,000 in 2012 to 227k this year. League contests on NBC Sports Network have dropped from an average of 125k per game to 102k.

http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2013...

MSantoine
Post #25
Tuesday October 15, 2013 11:26am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,028
Original post from tylercocinas

Although MLS draws slightly larger audiences, why are players salaries are much lower than the NBA and NHL? It is in part due to the fact that the revenue generated by the TV contracts for those leagues dwarfs MLS. Additionally, when you consider how much they spend for those other sports properties, is it any wonder ESPN's MLS coverage isn't quite on par with those other two leagues?

I'm not saying its a good or bad idea, but I think people are being too doom and gloom about the whole proposition.


Exactly. It all comes down to tv deals. And with ESPN & NBC already having mega million dollar deals with NBA, NFL, NHL, NCAA basketball, football & notre dame, theres no room in the fall for MLS. When would the games be on? Saturday all day is college football. Sunday all day is NFL.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #26
Tuesday October 15, 2013 1:18pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 413
I think local NBC should promote affiliates should promote soccer daily, there is practically zero coverage in the local news.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #27
Tuesday October 15, 2013 1:43pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,103
Original post from MSantoine

Exactly. It all comes down to tv deals. And with ESPN & NBC already having mega million dollar deals with NBA, NFL, NHL, NCAA basketball, football & notre dame, theres no room in the fall for MLS. When would the games be on? Saturday all day is college football. Sunday all day is NFL.


Yes and no...the underlying theme is marketability. Those sports are more marketable in their individual markets than the MLS. You go to Miami, New York, Boston, LA, etc. and you walk around a bit, you'll see lots of people wearing the gear of a baseball, basketball and/or football team. Where can you say the same for soccer? Probably nowhere but the northwest/Canada teams that have always had stellar fan support.

I think part of the real problem with why soccer isn't taking off the way it should is because the money isn't flowing in the way that it would with any other sport that you'd be able to squeeze in a commercial break every 5-10 minutes. The teams would be bringing in a lot more money and they'd be able to spend it better, possibly adding DPs or improving facilities or whatever, eventually we might even be able to raise the overall salary cap but keep the DP structure to lure more quality players and at the same time keep some of those fringe Nat players like Goodson, Agudelo, Beckerman, etc.

But I like not seeing commercials during the game, that's ridiculous. Such is the dilemma that has plagued the MLS executives since the beginning.

dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #28
Tuesday October 15, 2013 2:36pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 216
Original post from MSantoine

The tv ratings may not be there but thats more due to the fact that espn wont back mls. Look at the average attendence. MLS is like the 7th highest attendence of any soccer league in the world. More people go to an MLS game then an NHL or an NBA game. THose are the numbers that would drop and unless they would gain more than that much in new tv audience (doubtful with added competition) its a bad idea


NHL and NBA attendance is an unfair comparison with MLS because you can only have 13K fans in an arena not a 45K+ soccer stadium.. it's still a bad idea, all they need to do is break for internationals

MSantoine
Post #29
Tuesday October 15, 2013 3:30pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,028
Original post from dstones77

NHL and NBA attendance is an unfair comparison with MLS because you can only have 13K fans in an arena not a 45K+ soccer stadium.. it's still a bad idea, all they need to do is break for internationals

NHl/NBA areans hold on average 22-23k. Soccer Specific stadiums hold similar numbers

tylercocinas
Post #30
Tuesday October 15, 2013 4:12pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 702
Original post from MSantoine

Exactly. It all comes down to tv deals. And with ESPN & NBC already having mega million dollar deals with NBA, NFL, NHL, NCAA basketball, football & notre dame, theres no room in the fall for MLS. When would the games be on? Saturday all day is college football. Sunday all day is NFL.


You act as if this is not the same predicament we face right now. It's fall, and all of those sports you mentioned are getting ramped up. People are still coming to the stadia, and the ratings are in the toilet. Which brings me back to my original point, what's the worst that could happen?

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