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MSantoine
Post #16
Friday October 11, 2013 2:50pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from skangles

This got me thinking about players that made a push in 2013. We've had so many players establish themselves this year it's ridiculous.

1) Beasley - went from out of the MNT picture to the starting LB for the entire year with his play in Denver. He also captained the Gold Cup team.

2) Besler - Shockingly dethroned Bocanegra after making his debut in the camp cupcake match against Canada and Cameron's struggles.

3) Evans - Midway through the camp cupcake game he switched to RB. Now he's Klinsmann's top choice and he scored a massive goal in Jamaica

4) Gonzo - Similar story to Besler but there were higher expectations for Gonzo.

5) Altidore - He came off the bench for much of 2012 and struggled early in 2013 but he went into Beast Mode for AZ and the MNT and is now our clear starter up top.

6) Bedoya - Bedoya was a camp cupcake sub but some solid performances in the Gold Cup plus a good move to France have put him on the inside for a ticket to Brazil for now.

7) Mix - Sure he played and scored against Russia in 2012 but he was also cut from the camp cupcake roster and re-emerged through the Gold Cup

8) Donovan - If this was any other player he'd be near the top of the list but because its landon we expect greatness. JK penalized Landon for longer than he should have but I would have never expected Landon to already have his best stats for the MNT in any calendar year after playing for just a few months.


Good list. Taking it one step further, Lando, Mix, Bedoya, and to an extent Beasley all had the gold cup to reclaim/claim a spot in the 23 going forward. The other 4 did it via Camp Cupcake/Club team growth. Without the gold cup that leaves 4 guys with a chance to step up in 2014 starting with camp cupcake and rolling through the end of euro season/beginning of mls season. Will be great to watch and see who takes advantage and steps up

skangles
DC
Post #17
Monday October 14, 2013 5:29am

Joined Jan 2013
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I think that any late push will come from the 2014 Camp Cupcake. If we take a look at the 2013 Camp Cupcake it produced Besler and Omar and while it is a bit of a surprise how quickly they became the starting CB combo it's certainly no surprise that they would be in the mix as they've been two of the best defenders in the MLS the past few years.

It also produced two vets that nobody saw coming Davis and Evans. I would have never thought that these two would still be in the pool at the end of 2013 but Evans in particular has carved out his place and Davis seems to be one of the guys that is just on the outside but still on the radar.

That raises the question, will a veteran emerge from the 2014 Camp Cupcake? I think our inclinations would be that one of the yongsters like Gil, Yedlin, McInerney, Zardes, Rowe, Klute, etc. would be most likely to make a push but it would be classic Klinsmann to pick a veteran.

I think Camp Cupcake may finally be the audition of Mike Magee. He's been playing out of his mind this year and in my opinion he should be the MLS MVP. In fact, I think I'll take Magee as my dark horse for Brazil.

Justin Mapp is another player that I could see getting a look in January and Pontius was in 2tone's originally list and he's still fairly young but he could be another veteran player to make his push.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #18
Thursday October 17, 2013 5:56am

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I really think Zardes could make a late player push. Especially considering that both wing positions continue to be a growing concern.

Zardes possesses a skill set that currently no USMNT player is giving to the winger position. Fast, direct, and able to take on players 1v1 at speed. He also works both sides of the ball offensively and defensively.

Should be interesting to see how Klinsmann addresses the winger positions in the next 7 months. If Brek Shea can reestablish himself at Stoke then that could be a big boost as well.

I am not really that confident about Bedoya.

I do think Zusi will be a lock, but he is more of a possession type of winger.

admsghs27
Post #19
Thursday October 17, 2013 7:00am

Joined Nov 2012
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It is extremely hard to predict the wc roster for usa.. specially when is a 50 player pool deep....

logicoverall
Post #20
Thursday October 17, 2013 1:51pm

Joined Feb 2013
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Original post from 2tone

I really think Zardes could make a late player push. Especially considering that both wing positions continue to be a growing concern.

Zardes possesses a skill set that currently no USMNT player is giving to the winger position. Fast, direct, and able to take on players 1v1 at speed. He also works both sides of the ball offensively and defensively.

Should be interesting to see how Klinsmann addresses the winger positions in the next 7 months. If Brek Shea can reestablish himself at Stoke then that could be a big boost as well.

I am not really that confident about Bedoya.

I do think Zusi will be a lock, but he is more of a possession type of winger.


Another direct winger who can take players on 1-v-1 is Nick Deleon. Between he and Pontius, I think Nick has looked the better player this year. Granted Pontius has had injury issues, and I still think he is a good option as well, but Nicky D is younger and more versatile. He's played anywhere from striker to CDM to RB this year, and he has rarely looked out of place or confused. His best position is out wide in the attack, and I think he'd be a faster more attacking utility guy, sort of the opposite skill-set of Geoff Cameron. Perhaps a camp cupcake call-up?

If Nick doesn't get a chance this winter, I expect him to be representing Trinidad and Tobago sooner than later.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #21
Thursday October 17, 2013 3:19pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Looks like Shea is set to go on loan to a Championship team.

Red
NY
Post #22
Thursday October 17, 2013 4:32pm

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I see two spots where an "outsider" can come in and get onto the WC team.

LB-I can see Klute playing well throughout the season/playoffs getting called in early next year and perhaps impress enough with the few MNT he may get and during the first few months of the MLS season to get on the team. He will be a USMNT player it feels, its just a matter of time and experience which he likely won't get enough of to get to Brazil.

RB-Chandler and Cherundolo. Both are outside looking in. One because of form/previous loyalties and the other due to injury. But if one or both play real well the 2nd half of the Bundesliga season and get called in with the friendlies before the WC....I can see one getting on the plane to Brazil. I would think Chandler as he is younger, has more energy and expect him to have a good rest of the Bundesliga season. He has a new coach which is familiar with Americans and elevated their level of play.

MSantoine
Post #23
Thursday October 17, 2013 5:59pm

Joined Nov 2012
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One thing to keep in mind is we are officially in the time frame where a major injury (ie broken leg, acl, achillies, etc) wil end a world cup dream. Even if you get back to practice in 6 months the season will be over and you wont have time to gain fitnes. Theres always 1-2 starters who get hurt which opens up someone a spot

skangles
DC
Post #24
Thursday October 17, 2013 6:11pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,964
Original post from MSantoine

One thing to keep in mind is we are officially in the time frame where a major injury (ie broken leg, acl, achillies, etc) wil end a world cup dream. Even if you get back to practice in 6 months the season will be over and you wont have time to gain fitnes. Theres always 1-2 starters who get hurt which opens up someone a spot


Very true and I hope you knocked on wood after typing this.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #25
Thursday October 17, 2013 7:31pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from Red

I see two spots where an "outsider" can come in and get onto the WC team.

LB-I can see Klute playing well throughout the season/playoffs getting called in early next year and perhaps impress enough with the few MNT he may get and during the first few months of the MLS season to get on the team. He will be a USMNT player it feels, its just a matter of time and experience which he likely won't get enough of to get to Brazil.

RB-Chandler and Cherundolo. Both are outside looking in. One because of form/previous loyalties and the other due to injury. But if one or both play real well the 2nd half of the Bundesliga season and get called in with the friendlies before the WC....I can see one getting on the plane to Brazil. I would think Chandler as he is younger, has more energy and expect him to have a good rest of the Bundesliga season. He has a new coach which is familiar with Americans and elevated their level of play.


Those two have always been my first and second choice for RB at the WC...Dolo has the experience and the skill and is without a doubt the best RB we have. Chandler is young and is showing heaps of potential, and the ability to feature prominently in the next two cycles put him high on my depth chart.

If neither are available, then we should use Cameron as the RB, but that's also dependent on him not being needed in CB. Evans has done well and deserves to go, but he's not my top choice.

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