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recycledhumans
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Post #1
Tuesday October 1, 2013 1:43pm

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/art...

Caught this from the BBC Gossip page, seems pretty certain that the combination of Beck's star power and the money/connections of the other players involved, we'll be seeing Miami in the 2015 or 2016 season.

Bshredder
Post #2
Tuesday October 1, 2013 2:26pm

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I have to say, I am not really much of a fan of Miami.

It's not really a sports town. Sure, friendly exhibition matches draw well but not teams that have to play there on a regular basis.

Across all sports, it's a poor draw. Until the Heat became stacked with talent, they were not a popular team. Once those stars leave, they won't draw. The Marlins are a joke. The Dolphins struggle. The Miami Hurricanes do not draw anymore in either basketball or football despite being good.

It is not a sports town. Same with Atlanta.

rambo
Chi town
Post #3
Tuesday October 1, 2013 2:40pm

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Seems like some of the Heat crowds this past year have been pretty bad on occasions as well. Is this move just to get a better TV deal(if it happens)?

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #4
Tuesday October 1, 2013 3:25pm

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I think it's mostly about trying to farm the wealth of talent in Southern FL in a more effective way than is currently the case.

With Beckham's international appeal ad his relationship with other players still in the game, I have every confidence that they'd be able to bring in enough DP talent from the start that they'll be able to get the initial crowds to come. But if they don't perform well out of the gate or the crowds aren't inspired to get behind the team no matter the results, then it could well be another short-lived Florida franchise.

navi8132
New York
Post #5
Tuesday October 1, 2013 3:25pm

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The thing about Miami is that it would draw a lot of European stars (not that that is a good thing).

MSantoine
Post #6
Tuesday October 1, 2013 3:46pm

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The problem with Miami, and Florida in general, is that it is made up of a lot of retirees from northern states. If you grew up watching the red sox for 40 years and retire to tampa your not going to support the Rays. Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, Miami, they all struggle for attendence in all sports. Its ok to be a big city and not like sports in general. Im sure theres big Euro cities that have a hard time fielding teams.

recycledhumans
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Post #7
Tuesday October 1, 2013 4:30pm

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Original post from MSantoine

The problem with Miami, and Florida in general, is that it is made up of a lot of retirees from northern states. If you grew up watching the red sox for 40 years and retire to tampa your not going to support the Rays. Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, Miami, they all struggle for attendence in all sports. Its ok to be a big city and not like sports in general. Im sure theres big Euro cities that have a hard time fielding teams.


I can agree there, but wouldn't we expect soccer to be able to buck that trend, considering that any old loyalties to a northern team would have been minimal?

@navi, the European talent would be good in the beginning, to get that necessary exposure and potentially good results to keep them afloat for the first couple of seasons...they'd need to start showing homegrown talent to keep that up though. You bring in the crowd with stars, you keep them by giving them a connection to the community.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #8
Tuesday October 1, 2013 5:51pm

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Well, let's just see what happens if Miami gets' and expansion team. Can Miami get over the stigma of not being a sports town? Time will tell. MLS is keen to tap into both Miami and Atlantas latin flavor fanbase.

admsghs27
Post #9
Tuesday October 1, 2013 6:17pm

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Miami would do good for a few years after it would fall drastically.. Atlanta doesn't have much of Latin comunnity, the carolinas do have it... Atlanta Im not sure could support a team year in year out.. Orlando would be perfect no doubt, id say Miami is a huge mistake.. They barely support their own teams...

blaise213
Post #10
Tuesday October 1, 2013 7:31pm

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Original post from admsghs27

Miami would do good for a few years after it would fall drastically.. Atlanta doesn't have much of Latin comunnity, the carolinas do have it...


Why does everyone blame a small latino market as a failure ?????

Dude I bought 4 season tickets to the SJ Earthquakes this year. Probably 5 % of the total crowd at the games is latino

I went to the first year season ticket appreciation party, not one latino there !

Atlanta is not a good market in general for soccer.

Miami will do fine, especially with ft lauderdale 30 mins away !

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #11
Tuesday October 1, 2013 7:44pm

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Original post from blaise213

Miami will do fine, especially with ft lauderdale 30 mins away !


They do, and they have their own NASL team...unless you're folding that team's structure and existing fanbase into a new joint-city franchise, I'm not sure how many of those fans will jump ship for an MLS team nearby.

dolcem
Post #12
Tuesday October 1, 2013 8:23pm

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Most of the Latin population in Miami is Cuban and Puerto Rican, and they prefer baseball to soccer. It's also a horrible sports city. We need to expand into the Southeast but no need to give a city a team that will fail while we still have other cities out there that really deserve teams (St. Louis, for example).

I'm starting to get nervous about over-expansion too.

Original post from navi8132

The thing about Miami is that it would draw a lot of European stars (not that that is a good thing).


Why would that not be a good thing????

Original post from recycledhumans

I can agree there, but wouldn't we expect soccer to be able to buck that trend, considering that any old loyalties to a northern team would have been minimal?



Old people don't watch soccer. And they usually don't try out new things, either.
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recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #13
Tuesday October 1, 2013 8:31pm

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That's not necessarily true, there are bound to lots of seniors down there that were fans of the Cosmos in their hayday...

admsghs27
Post #14
Tuesday October 1, 2013 9:13pm

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People in Miami dont care about European players, unless their either stars that are south American... Maybe if they bring kaka, mascherano people would go.. friendlies are good but not a permanent mls club.. Also wanted to point out when chivas USA started they had pretty good crowds the first few years then started to drop... Same will happen in Miami.. There are some current franchises that are starting to fall fan base wise.. For example new England, Chicago fire, DC united, fc Dallas, Houston a lil bit also.. The most shocking one to me is Columbus crew they are one of the top soccer cities in the country.. Lastly mls needs to get rid of chivas USA...

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #15
Tuesday October 1, 2013 9:20pm

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I don't think that's true, get someone with Raul's pedigree in there and the fans will come flocking. Real Madrid is big down there so any association with them would go a long way toward establishing a fanbase.

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