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Post #16
Monday September 30, 2013 4:22am

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Well in the past a few usl have beaten epl teams... Check ur records bro... Examples, Bolton, Newcastle and other few...

Techskillz416
Post #17
Monday September 30, 2013 2:13pm

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Original post from MSantoine

Even if he isnt scoring goals week in week out hes still playing in the best league in the world. He's taking on some of the best defenders in the world. He is fine tuning his craft and finding out what can work against world class talent (he'd have a couple of goals if not for poor referreeing). Im not worried about him unless it becomes a confidence issue, like blowing a gimme, or passing when he has a clear shot. I'll take him not scoring in the EPL over anyone else in our pool.

Now if he stops playing we can talk but as an EPL starter hes a lock for the US lineup


Being the most popular league in the world does not make it the best league in the world. You have your Big four in the BPL, all of whom look vulnerable and can be beaten. Other than that, its a crap shoot. The best league as in terms of skill and technicality is Bundesliga. I will take Ligue 1 over the BPL in terms of skill. The BPL is popular because of its parity/rugby style of soccer.

I do agree that he still starts for the Nats.

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Post #18
Monday September 30, 2013 2:46pm

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It's been noted before, but his hold up play so far has been excellent. His best possible strike partner in Steven Fletcher is hurt - I think they've only played together once this season so far.

They haven't had the best schedule so far either - good teams at home or at least somewhat decent teams away. Hopefully things will calm down a bit. For starters, Giaccherini needs to start - guy isn't the best player in the world (obviously) but he's a presence and he's quick. Ki has also done well for them - a bit underrated in my opinion. Defense and distribution in the offensive third are their biggest obstacles - if Jozy gets the service, he'll make it happen. May need to work on his first touch though - easier said than done against BPL defenses.
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MSantoine
Post #19
Monday September 30, 2013 3:21pm

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Original post from Techskillz416

Being the most popular league in the world does not make it the best league in the world. You have your Big four in the BPL, all of whom look vulnerable and can be beaten. Other than that, its a crap shoot. The best league as in terms of skill and technicality is Bundesliga. I will take Ligue 1 over the BPL in terms of skill. The BPL is popular because of its parity/rugby style of soccer.

I do agree that he still starts for the Nats.


The difference between BPL and other leagues is depth. You have international quality players on every team in the BPL. Look at the rosters of teams like Sunderland, Cardiff City, AV, Stoke, Hull. They are littered with players who are high class internationals. Notice how without trying EPL teams always do well in Europa League, and last year was the first time they all struck out in UCL. You have Man U, City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton who would all be at or near the top of almost every league (not Spain, Italy, or Germany, but probably evry other). If you matched up 1-20 teams from EPL to Ligue 1 EPL would win at least 15 of them, if not more. Same as Spain, Portugal, and Italy. Germany would be closer but its really a toss up. Just llok att he players coming into the EPL. Guys like Ozil. Great EPL players only leave if they could start at Real, Barca, or Bayern. Other than that they almost never leave.

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Post #20
Monday September 30, 2013 7:01pm

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He was manhandled that whole game and barely got a second look from Howard Webb...but like the NBCSN commentator said "he's a big lad and can take care of himself, so you won't see him complaining to the ref too much"

Looked to me like he should have gotten at least a hand-full of free kicks and maybe even a penalty in the second half.

Techskillz416
Post #21
Monday September 30, 2013 7:07pm

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Original post from MSantoine

The difference between BPL and other leagues is depth. You have international quality players on every team in the BPL. Look at the rosters of teams like Sunderland, Cardiff City, AV, Stoke, Hull. They are littered with players who are high class internationals. Notice how without trying EPL teams always do well in Europa League, and last year was the first time they all struck out in UCL. You have Man U, City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton who would all be at or near the top of almost every league (not Spain, Italy, or Germany, but probably evry other). If you matched up 1-20 teams from EPL to Ligue 1 EPL would win at least 15 of them, if not more. Same as Spain, Portugal, and Italy. Germany would be closer but its really a toss up. Just llok att he players coming into the EPL. Guys like Ozil. Great EPL players only leave if they could start at Real, Barca, or Bayern. Other than that they almost never leave.


I mean you kind of made the point for me with your statement that I will bold. "You have Man U, City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton who would all be at or near the top of almost every league (not Spain, Italy, or Germany, but probably evry other)." i mean seriously...what leagues are leaf after those leagues lol?

This is why they are not the best league in the world. You put out the best what..7 high ranked clubs from the BPL that you clearly say would not be on top of, IMO Better leagues. Spain is not a better league, they are a 2 horse race.

MSantoine
Post #22
Monday September 30, 2013 7:31pm

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Original post from Techskillz416

I mean you kind of made the point for me with your statement that I will bold. "You have Man U, City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton who would all be at or near the top of almost every league (not Spain, Italy, or Germany, but probably evry other)." i mean seriously...what leagues are leaf after those leagues lol?

This is why they are not the best league in the world. You put out the best what..7 high ranked clubs from the BPL that you clearly say would not be on top of, IMO Better leagues. Spain is not a better league, they are a 2 horse race.


Your confusing two different things. Best team, or best league. Barca, Real, Bayern are probably the three best teams in the world. But I would bet the teams I listed would make the UCL in any of these leagues. Think about it. How would Schalke do in EPL, Leverksuen, Sociedad, Milan? They would struggle to come in top 7. Id take Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, or Spurs over any of those teams. EPL is the best LEAGUE.

MSantoine
Post #23
Monday September 30, 2013 7:39pm

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Original post from Techskillz416

I mean you kind of made the point for me with your statement that I will bold. "You have Man U, City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton who would all be at or near the top of almost every league (not Spain, Italy, or Germany, but probably evry other)." i mean seriously...what leagues are leaf after those leagues lol?

This is why they are not the best league in the world. You put out the best what..7 high ranked clubs from the BPL that you clearly say would not be on top of, IMO Better leagues. Spain is not a better league, they are a 2 horse race.


Also look at the money and its not even close. EPL brought in over 760 million worth of players, italy brouht in 411 mil, spain 390, & germany only 264. The best players get the most money. Players always chase the dollars. Thats why everyone comes to USA for hockey, basketball, and baseball even though there are other options.

Techskillz416
Post #24
Monday September 30, 2013 8:10pm

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Original post from MSantoine

Also look at the money and its not even close. EPL brought in over 760 million worth of players, italy brouht in 411 mil, spain 390, & germany only 264. The best players get the most money. Players always chase the dollars. Thats why everyone comes to USA for hockey, basketball, and baseball even though there are other options.


Now you know that is not true. The richest owners get the best players. If that were the case, why can't West Brom, Villa, Sunderland, Stoke, Birmingham has now sunk, Portsmouth...where are these guys with there multi billion dollar set ups? Again the same 7 clubs that you just put out there, as not being able to be better than clubs in Germany and France are the ones with all of the giant transactions you just explained...

dolcem
Post #25
Monday September 30, 2013 8:23pm

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First of all, players get taxed less in Spain. Second, there are reasons to avoid England. Living in Spain is way better than in England. And because of the culture and language, they get most of the Latin players.

The EPL has always been a two horse league the past ten to fifteen years. First it was ManU and Arsenal, then it was Chelsea and ManU after Arsenal had to sell all their best players, and recently City came into the picture while Chelsea was struggling. This is the first time there has been an open title race in ages.

Also, there hasn't been a really good EPL team since ManU when Ronaldo was on it. Sure City and Chelsea are great on paper, but they've been crap in Europe (save for Chelsea's miracle UCL win, where they were the worst team in the history of the competition to have won it).

The idea that Spain is a two horse league is a truism propagated by the Anglocentric media with little foundation in reality. Real Madrid and Barcelona are just on a different level. And Atletico is really good now as was Valencia before last season. In '08-09 La Liga had six Champions League caliber teams. La Liga is the only league in the world where teams that have done extremely well in the Champions League have gotten relegated. Deportivo was in the semi-finals three seasons in a row and got relegated a couple seasons later. Villarreal has had a lot of success in the Champions League and was in it nearly every season, and then got relegated while they were in it. Every game in La Liga is a tough one. Let's not forget when Bilbao played ManU off the pitch the season before last.

There's also the Bundesliga, where you have different teams in the CL spots every year and has small teams challenging for the title out of nowhere (Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg, etc.). I think it's the deepest league.

The TV money in England continues to tilt the balance in their favor but the lower half is filled with players grown in England, which is developmentally far behind Germany and Spain.

I'd give the slight edge to the Prem but you can make an argument for any of the big three and anyone who thinks the EPL is much better is drinking the kool-aid.
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