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Post #31
Friday September 27, 2013 5:10pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 951
Original post from rainORshine

i am pretty concerned about the defense and i think there is some tangible evidence that it is not great.

what are the 5 most talented teams / toughest games US has played in 2013?
begium - 4 goals conceded
@ costa rica - 3
bosnia - 3
germany - 3
@ honduras - 2

in 5 toughest games averaging 3 goals conceded per game

you can weigh that against bunch of shutouts at home v CONCACAF teams but FOR ME that is plenty of evidence to be concerned

thought dolcem did a nice job characterizing the CB options and thought that msantoine's point about HEX being very low scoring in general (for whatever reason) is also relevant.

basically gonzo, goodson and besler are above average MLS CBs. good enough to pitch shut-outs v CONCACAF at home, but i kind of doubt good enough to win a round of 16 game against a high quality WC opponent (if they can get through group).

i think that is just being realistic. nothing JK can really do about this one. his options are just limited

between fabian, cameron and chandler i think OB options are very strong


This answers the thread topic perfectly. Best translates to the quality of play we will see in Brazil.

MSantoine
Post #32
Friday September 27, 2013 7:29pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,205
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

you guys and your stats, its mind numbing to read and break down.

Anyways, looking at the players alone, I would say the 2010s were better. The 4-4-2 counter-attack style of play wasnt the ideal strategy, but we didnt have the CM to play any other way.

What the 2014 defenders have going for them is a better overall balance of play from the team. We play a higher line now, we press in the opponents own half. The 4-2-3-1 has helped our defense tremendously.

So i get the clean sheets belong to the goalies and defenders, but the CM and outside mids have played an important role in the overall scheme.


Exactly. The shutouts and goals against numbers are a team effort. MB, Jones, Zusi, Fab are much better defensive players than Clark, 2010 MB, Landon & Clint (our typical 4 midfielders in 2010).. Its not even close

rainORshine
Post #33
Friday September 27, 2013 11:04pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,783
Top 5 all-time USMNT CBs?

1) pope
2) balboa
3) boca
4) lalas
5) gooch

at least 1 of the top 3 has been WC CB going back to 1990.

90 - balboa
94 - balboa / lalas
98 - pope
02 - pope
06 - gooch / pope
10 - boca

at this rate i dont see gonzo or besler breaking into the top 3 by the end of their career. goodson wont. brooks could of course but long shot at starting and very little international experience...

dolcem
Post #34
Saturday September 28, 2013 4:28pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from 2tone

Zero concrete evidence.

Bocanegra, DeMerit, and Gooch gave up more goals(13) and had fewer clean sheets in the 2009 HEX. How in the world can you claim the CB's were better?

You have given zero evidence that the defense is a weak spot.

Should we look at how many goals the 2009 team gave up to quality non-CONCACAF opponents. That defensive minded team gave up 9 goals in the confederations cup. That team was strictly defend slash counter and they still gave up 9 goals.


This is soccer, I can't give you concrete evidence, it's too subjective. The goals per game, for example, as one of the other posters nicely pointed out, has more to do with the high line, pressing, and defensive abilities of our midfielders than the quality of our CB's. Ironically, Klinsmann's style has made us tougher to score against than we used to be. RoS summed it up well, Gonzo, Goodson, and Besler (especially the first two) are not international quality CB's. Bocanegra was, and Demeit and Gooch were good for our (bunker) style during those years (Goodson and Gonzo, however, don't fit ours now). Gooch was simply a better, more experienced version of Gonzo and Goodson.

Brooks is an unknown at this point but I'm hoping he improves a lot ths year and earns a starting place. If Chandler or Dolo can lock down RB we could move Cameron to CB. A Cameron-Brooks (if he turns out) pairing could be so much better than what we have now.

A low goals to game ratio, IMO, is only a testament to the work JK has done as a manager and has nothing to do with the caliber of our CB's.
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Tiger
Post #35
Monday September 30, 2013 9:04pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 94
Any potential for Spector to be called up for October and/or November?

MSantoine
Post #36
Tuesday October 1, 2013 11:26am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,205
Original post from Tiger

Any potential for Spector to be called up for October and/or November?


I hope not

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