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Bshredder
Post #1
Thursday September 26, 2013 3:36am

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Bossing it tonight

Jzaval01
Post #2
Thursday September 26, 2013 3:55am

Joined May 2013
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Yea but him tracking back constantly has left him out of gas during the end of the first half. McBean doing well though.

admsghs27
Post #3
Thursday September 26, 2013 3:59am

Joined Nov 2012
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Mann Galaxy"s . 3rd team looking really good... Impressed!!!!

dolcem
Post #4
Thursday September 26, 2013 3:40pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I'm not too hyped about either of the Jack Macs. They are protypical MLS poachers, and while they're very good at it at a very young age, when was the last time one of these types of players was a force for the NT or even did well in Europe? The best players of this mold over the past five to ten years were Twellman and Wondolowski...case in point.

One of the problems with American players, traditionally, is that they are too one dimensional. In the modern game, you can't have one dimensional players, especially at striker. All the best strikers in the world are, of course, lethal finishers, but they always have other qualities as well. And they generally are one of two types: target forwards (e.g. Falcao or Cavani), usually deployed in either a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1, the formations usedby most (good) teams nowadays, or 9's who play better facing goal, like Aguero. Target forwards have to be strong and strikers like Aguero have to be really fast and skilled (and able to beat defenders off the dribble). Today's strikers have to be able to create chances on their own for themselves and their teammates, not just finish the chances given to them.

Poachers, on the other hand, tend to be too one-dimensional and the days of players like Raul, van Nistelrooj, and Inzaghi are past. For one thing, they uually have to play in a two striker formation, not so common these days. The best poachers these days tend to not be valued highly by managers or commentators. No matter how many clutch goals Chicharito scores, he can't ever climb above Welbeck (who is awful) on the depth chart. Darren Bent is a goal-scoring machine (especially considering the teams he has played for) in the Premiership and is English (which means his value is double) and no one wants him. The only good poacher I can think of off the type of my head is Higuain, and he can hold up the ball well (and can play as the lone striker) and is very skilled with the ball. He hasn't done well though the past three seasons.

Zardes and Villareal aren't really cut out well for the MLS and will probably never put up the scoring numbers there that the Jack Macs will, but they have more upside and are much more likely to be able to succeed in Europe (and for the NT) someday.
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Rey Regicide
Post #5
Thursday September 26, 2013 8:12pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 231
Original post from dolcem

I'm not too hyped about either of the Jack Macs. They are protypical MLS poachers, and while they're very good at it at a very young age, when was the last time one of these types of players was a force for the NT or even did well in Europe? The best players of this mold over the past five to ten years were Twellman and Wondolowski...case in point.

One of the problems with American players, traditionally, is that they are too one dimensional. In the modern game, you can't have one dimensional players, especially at striker. All the best strikers in the world are, of course, lethal finishers, but they always have other qualities as well. And they generally are one of two types: target forwards (e.g. Falcao or Cavani), usually deployed in either a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1, the formations usedby most (good) teams nowadays, or 9's who play better facing goal, like Aguero. Target forwards have to be strong and strikers like Aguero have to be really fast and skilled (and able to beat defenders off the dribble). Today's strikers have to be able to create chances on their own for themselves and their teammates, not just finish the chances given to them.

Poachers, on the other hand, tend to be too one-dimensional and the days of players like Raul, van Nistelrooj, and Inzaghi are past. For one thing, they uually have to play in a two striker formation, not so common these days. The best poachers these days tend to not be valued highly by managers or commentators. No matter how many clutch goals Chicharito scores, he can't ever climb above Welbeck (who is awful) on the depth chart. Darren Bent is a goal-scoring machine (especially considering the teams he has played for) in the Premiership and is English (which means his value is double) and no one wants him. The only good poacher I can think of off the type of my head is Higuain, and he can hold up the ball well (and can play as the lone striker) and is very skilled with the ball. He hasn't done well though the past three seasons.

Zardes and Villareal aren't really cut out well for the MLS and will probably never put up the scoring numbers there that the Jack Macs will, but they have more upside and are much more likely to be able to succeed in Europe (and for the NT) someday.


Enjoyed this insight, I'm inclined to believe that as well.

MSantoine
Post #6
Thursday September 26, 2013 9:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,104
Original post from dolcem

I'm not too hyped about either of the Jack Macs. They are protypical MLS poachers, and while they're very good at it at a very young age, when was the last time one of these types of players was a force for the NT or even did well in Europe? The best players of this mold over the past five to ten years were Twellman and Wondolowski...case in point.

One of the problems with American players, traditionally, is that they are too one dimensional. In the modern game, you can't have one dimensional players, especially at striker. All the best strikers in the world are, of course, lethal finishers, but they always have other qualities as well. And they generally are one of two types: target forwards (e.g. Falcao or Cavani), usually deployed in either a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1, the formations usedby most (good) teams nowadays, or 9's who play better facing goal, like Aguero. Target forwards have to be strong and strikers like Aguero have to be really fast and skilled (and able to beat defenders off the dribble). Today's strikers have to be able to create chances on their own for themselves and their teammates, not just finish the chances given to them.

Poachers, on the other hand, tend to be too one-dimensional and the days of players like Raul, van Nistelrooj, and Inzaghi are past. For one thing, they uually have to play in a two striker formation, not so common these days. The best poachers these days tend to not be valued highly by managers or commentators. No matter how many clutch goals Chicharito scores, he can't ever climb above Welbeck (who is awful) on the depth chart. Darren Bent is a goal-scoring machine (especially considering the teams he has played for) in the Premiership and is English (which means his value is double) and no one wants him. The only good poacher I can think of off the type of my head is Higuain, and he can hold up the ball well (and can play as the lone striker) and is very skilled with the ball. He hasn't done well though the past three seasons.

Zardes and Villareal aren't really cut out well for the MLS and will probably never put up the scoring numbers there that the Jack Macs will, but they have more upside and are much more likely to be able to succeed in Europe (and for the NT) someday.


Hard to argue with this point of view but to be fair to Twellman if he didnt have the concussions he could have been a bridge between McBride and Jozy. He had offers from Championship level teams, and was skilled enough to get a look early in his career in germany. If not for the concussions he would have been in SA instead of Buddle or Findley, and maybe even Herc.

Bshredder
Post #7
Thursday September 26, 2013 10:02pm

Joined Aug 2011
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Watching McBean last night, there seemed to be a lot more to his game than poaching.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #8
Thursday September 26, 2013 10:26pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,912
I will concede that Ramos made a mistake by not taking a true target fwd. McBean could have helped immensely in that department in the U-20 WC.

McBean still needs to get better in a lot of areas, but he has some talent. Don't think he will ever be a USMNT caliber target striker, but he will have a very fruitful club career. I think his trajectory is similar to a Connor Casey.

GD10
Post #9
Thursday September 26, 2013 11:46pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 239
Conor Casey would have been a even better player if injuries didn't derail a very promising career. People forget he was producing well in Germany when he was over the as a youngster and was on the books for Dortmund. I actually really dig McBean's game, he can hold the ball up very well and has a good first touch. I've been impressed every time I've seen him suit up for the galaxy.

EKneezy
Post #10
Thursday November 14, 2013 4:20am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,766
Adam Serrano ‏@LAGalaxyInsider 1h

#LAGalaxy striker @JackMcBean to train in England with Wolves and Blackburn Rovers

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #11
Thursday November 14, 2013 6:31am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,031
If he impresses a loan move could follow.

http://www.lagalaxy.com/blog/beat/2013/11/13/...

dolcem
Post #12
Thursday November 14, 2013 10:54am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,033
Wolves is in League One and Blackburn is having a lot of problems and struggling in the Championship. I think McBean is a Championship type player (and could do well there, especially if he improves with age). Don't think he's a Premier League type player though. Not to be negative or anything. I bet either of those teams could use him though. He should be at least good enough for at least one of them.
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dfw_fan
DfW
Post #13
Thursday November 14, 2013 1:53pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 414
Original post from Scout92

If he impresses a loan move could follow.

http://www.lagalaxy.com/blog/beat/2013/11/13/...


Would he get a work permit? I thought you had to have few games in the NT to qualify for work permit

db707
Post #14
Thursday November 14, 2013 2:39pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 90
His father is from Scotland, no?


Conor O'Brien could finally make his Austrian debut for Wiener Neustadt on Saturday.
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