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rainORshine
Post #61
Thursday October 3, 2013 5:30pm

Joined Dec 2012
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call him in january and all is well, i suppose. unless colorado is still in playoffs, november is reasonable to consider - especially if gonzalez and/or besler are still in playoffs

colorado has a big game in SJ next week - does not make sense to call him in next week

admsghs27
Post #62
Thursday October 3, 2013 6:13pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,218
He is better off with Ireland if he wants to get playing time... With USA he will be deep in the USA depth pool.. He wont have much of a career with USA...

tylercocinas
Post #63
Thursday October 3, 2013 6:29pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 602
Original post from admsghs27
He wont have much of a career with USA...


Disagree. In Brazil our starting CBs will be 25 and 27. Goodson is 31, and Brooks is 20. If O'Neill can continue to improve as a player, he's got a great shot in 2018.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #64
Thursday October 3, 2013 7:05pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 758
Original post from 2tone

Meh. The US has plenty of talented young CB's. Not really worried about this to tell you the truth. If his heart is with Ireland then so be it. I won't be mad or upset.


Yeah this is my stance too.

Why is everyone so concerned about a player that is not going to take this country to the next level. Was he not just apart of the U20 defense that got worked over by Spain, France, and Ghana? Im not saying it was all on him, but he had something to do with it.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #65
Thursday October 3, 2013 7:28pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 946
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Yeah this is my stance too.

Why is everyone so concerned about a player that is not going to take this country to the next level. Was he not just apart of the U20 defense that got worked over by Spain, France, and Ghana? Im not saying it was all on him, but he had something to do with it.


Spain, France and Ghana, three of the most attacking, top-heavy teams in the world. Cropper let in those goals but had plenty of saves...is he not worth looking at for the future?

Without giving him even one chance on a real stage to perform, how can anyone say that he's not worth our time?

Red
NY
Post #66
Thursday October 3, 2013 7:29pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 417
He did play in the first game v. Spain, I could be wrong but I don't believe he did.

This young, just turned 20-year-old, is one of the best CB prospects we have. He has done a GREAT job with Colorado all year and was one of the better members of our U-20 setup.

No way do I want to lose a young prospect like this even though we are deep in the pool.
If this MLS homegrown player can continue on this path he will have a massive career ahead of him.

No way do I want to lose him when he could be a CB in the 2018 or perhaps even in the 2022 WC.

rainORshine
Post #67
Thursday October 3, 2013 7:35pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,713
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Yeah this is my stance too.

Why is everyone so concerned about a player that is not going to take this country to the next level. Was he not just apart of the U20 defense that got worked over by Spain, France, and Ghana? Im not saying it was all on him, but he had something to do with it.


he was one of the few bright spots. just turned 20 and has been excelling as a professional all season

not sure how anyone looks at our current stable of CBs (goodson, gonzalez, brooks, besler) and does not see that position as a weakness

MLS GA 2013 (goal against per game (when not starting)
- oneill .75 / 20 games (1.60 / 10)
- gonzo 1.08 / 24 (1.83 / 6)
- goodson 1.14 / 7 (1.38 / 24)
- besler 1.10 / 20 (.70 / 10)

(notice SKC better without besler this season... probably why he has not started last few games)

colorado was a poor team last year. this year they have been even worse when oneill does not play. with oneill they have been the best team in MLS (go look at opening post - ppg with oneill starting is better than seattle, wihtout him they are chivas USA)

what, exactly, is the argument that oneill is NOT currently better than what we have?

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #68
Thursday October 3, 2013 7:52pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 946
Original post from rainORshine

MLS GA 2013 (goal against per game (when not starting)
- oneill .75 / 20 games (1.60 / 10)
- gonzo 1.08 / 24 (1.83 / 6)
- goodson 1.14 / 7 (1.38 / 24)
- besler 1.10 / 20 (.70 / 10)

what, exactly, is the argument that oneill is NOT currently better than what we have?


So glad we have stats nerds (term is used in reverence, not condescendingly) to prove points like this. I don't know if he's going to be ready by 2018 to be a starter, but in 2022 he's got to be top three choices.

admsghs27
Post #69
Thursday October 3, 2013 8:15pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,218
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Yeah this is my stance too.

Why is everyone so concerned about a player that is not going to take this country to the next level. Was he not just apart of the U20 defense that got worked over by Spain, France, and Ghana? Im not saying it was all on him, but he had something to do with it.


Thank you.. He is no saviour and wont make a difference at all.. Heck he is not even a top 8 American cb in mls.. I take a few sub 17 CBS over him 3 yrs from now...

Bshredder
Post #70
Thursday October 3, 2013 8:52pm

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,454
Shane O'Neill is a good player. It would be a loss to the U.S program

Less than 12 months ago, O'Neill had never played central defense before at any level. It wasn't until Tab Ramos played him there in November 2012 when O'Neill first played the position.

This year he has been a very good central defender. Yes, he is one of the top 8 central denders in the league. When you see how far he's come in such a short period of time, it's is impressive.

I would be a mistake saying losing O'Neill as "no big deal."

navi8132
Post #71
Friday October 4, 2013 3:26am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,596
Would be one of the stupidest moves I have ever seen our youth players take. Nothing worthwhile will come for O'Neil by switching to the shittier team. They blow, they don't have a good rep, they don't have any respect, they won't help your career.

chillguy1992
Post #72
Friday October 4, 2013 4:28am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 275
I dont think ireland will call him up in ocotber. Even though Ireland has little to no chance of making the world cup playoff they still have a chance so their coach will probably still call up their best 23. Plus its a brand new coach who will want to pick out his best 23 and see what they can do against germany and to a much lesser extent kazakhstan. I dont think O'neill would be one of irelands best 23 yet they have a bunch of defenders in the premier league.

If O'Neill does get called up for ireland its most likely in november for ireland and even then he will be in mls playoffs so that call up wont happen. Which means irelands most likely chance of calling up o'neill will be next march. By january he will be called up by the US he has been a very good cb this year no way klinsi doesnt call him up. Thats my guess as to what will happen just really hoping ireland doesnt call him up because hes a keeper.

EKneezy
Post #73
Friday October 4, 2013 4:57am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,342
The one time switch is his only option. If he goes with Ireland, he better make sure it's the right decision. Just hope he realizes that January camp can be a good starting point for his senior US team.

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