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rainORshine
Post #16
Wednesday September 25, 2013 12:23am

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Original post from Fraser31

Would you say that yedlin equally deserves a call up? Or has he not proven as much as O'Neill


look. id rather NOT "rush" oneill along. just that CB has been such a tricky spot.

RB has been a tricky spot but i would have to put cameron and chandler even maybe lichaj ahead of yedlin - so with yedlin i think waiting till january is no problem.

most likely we wont see oneill till then either, just think the CB situation is sketchy enough that you go ahead and make the call now - especially with goodson and brooks possibly out.

oneill >>> orozco

would rather see yedlin than evans or parkhurst but, again, think there are a few guys ahead so no need to rush it

admsghs27
Post #17
Wednesday September 25, 2013 1:35am

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Original post from rainORshine

look. id rather NOT "rush" oneill along. just that CB has been such a tricky spot.

RB has been a tricky spot but i would have to put cameron and chandler even maybe lichaj ahead of yedlin - so with yedlin i think waiting till january is no problem.

most likely we wont see oneill till then either, just think the CB situation is sketchy enough that you go ahead and make the call now - especially with goodson and brooks possibly out.

oneill >>> orozco

would rather see yedlin than evans or parkhurst but, again, think there are a few guys ahead so no need to rush it


So there we go no reason to start hyping up Shane, If anything Yedlin deserves a look before Shane.. CB is a tricky spot, i would have to put Brooks, Gonzo, Besler, Goodson, even bocanegra ext.. over Shane.. He is a 2018 pool player, as well as yedlin..

rainORshine
Post #18
Wednesday September 25, 2013 2:28am

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Original post from admsghs27

So there we go no reason to start hyping up Shane, If anything Yedlin deserves a look before Shane.. CB is a tricky spot, i would have to put Brooks, Gonzo, Besler, Goodson, even bocanegra ext.. over Shane.. He is a 2018 pool player, as well as yedlin..


here is my take:

RB (you only start 1 at a time)
1) starting EPL RB (cameron)

2) starting bundesliga RB (chandler)
3) starting championship RB - with EPL experience (lichaj)

4) starting MLS RB (yedlin)

CB (you start 2)
1) starting bundesliga CB (brooks)

2) starting MLS CBs (oneill / goodson / gonzalez / besler / bocanegra)

i think there is evidence that oneill is POSSIBLY the best US MLS CB at this moment. brooks is the only player playing at a higher level than him - a 20 year old with 1 cap.
brooks and goodson are currently injured

i dont think it is over-hyping to suggest that oneill is possibly one of the best CB options. the only way to really find out is to bring him into camp

MSantoine
Post #19
Wednesday September 25, 2013 2:46am

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We need to start treating the USMNT roster for what it is. Just because someone played well in 1-2 games doesnt mean they should be guarenteed a spot until the US struggles as a team. When you only play once every month things change and the 5-7 club games should have more wait then the 2 US games.
Heres a few examples that will never happen with the current mentality.
2001- Drew Bledsoe is an average qb. Brady steps in and becomes a superstar.
2012. Alex Smith is an average qb and 49ers are in first. He misses 2 games and Colin K steals the job as SF knew his potential was that he could get better than Smith currently was. They were 3 yards away from winning a championship.

When you have non all-star quality starters (Evans, Beasley, EJ, Zusi, Besler, Omar) you shouldnt be afraid of trying out some youngsters to see what they can do. Last year SF knew they would make the playoffs but changed QBs to give them a chance at a super bowl win. If they stuck with Smith they probably lost in the 1st or 2nd playoff round, if Colin K stunk they would have lost in 1st or 2nd playoff round. That should be how we look at things. Its what a lot of countries do

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #20
Wednesday September 25, 2013 3:08am

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from rainORshine

of course it is pure speculation about where oneill will be playing in 2015.

thats not the point. the point is that it is very rare to see a 19 year old dominating in MLS the way oneill is. like landon donovan type rare.

even most of the best young MLS players were 23/24 when they really started dominating. bocanegra was 21 when he won ROY - 23/24 when he won defender of the year. dempsey was 21 when he won ROY (and was playing in a WC a year and a half later)

VERY few guys since landon donovan who have had the success at 19 years old as oneill. maybe none. LD was 19 when he broke out for san jose in 2001 - and was starring in the WC the following summer.

gonzo won ROY when he was 20/21 and defender of year at 22/23 but i think there is a reason he is still in MLS - he is just not quite as good as we hoped he might be

the point is not about where oneill will be playing in 2 years but that he is unique talent. would rather not have a discussion about having a 20 year old CB start at the world cup - not ideal - but we dont have an ideal situation so might as well add oneill the the group of non-ideal candidates


Yes but you tried to make it a point by indicating that O'Neill will surpass Gonzo and Besler because you feel he will be playing in the EPL in two years.

O'Neill is talented, but to throw out pure speculation as if it will be fact does not re-inforce your argument. Right now it's a long shot for O'Neill to be called up during this WC cycle.

But we all agree the guy is talented and has a bright USMNT future.

Oh and your argument for cap tying him now is irrelevant as well. O'Neill is tied to the US at the youth level. Which means he would have to file a one-time switch to Ireland to play for them. O'Neill has always stated that he prefers to play for the US, so it's going to have to take a number of years of not being in the US set-up for O'Neill to ever switch to Ireland. He along with Brooks, Packwood, Zimmerman, and Miazga are the future for the USMNT at CB for the next 12 to 14 years. O'Neill is firmly a US player.

rainORshine
Post #21
Wednesday September 25, 2013 3:52am

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Original post from 2tone

Yes but you tried to make it a point by indicating that O'Neill will surpass Gonzo and Besler because you feel he will be playing in the EPL in two years.

O'Neill is talented, but to throw out pure speculation as if it will be fact does not re-inforce your argument. Right now it's a long shot for O'Neill to be called up during this WC cycle.

But we all agree the guy is talented and has a bright USMNT future.

Oh and your argument for cap tying him now is irrelevant as well. O'Neill is tied to the US at the youth level. Which means he would have to file a one-time switch to Ireland to play for them. O'Neill has always stated that he prefers to play for the US, so it's going to have to take a number of years of not being in the US set-up for O'Neill to ever switch to Ireland. He along with Brooks, Packwood, Zimmerman, and Miazga are the future for the USMNT at CB for the next 12 to 14 years. O'Neill is firmly a US player.


i dont think it is a stretch to project SO leaving for a "promotion" in the next couple years - whether it be EPL or somewhere else. but certainly just speculation. think most of us would have guessed gonzo would be gone by 23, but still in MLS, so, yea...

as for ireland, i mean, you never know. ireland has just been eliminated from WC after losing 2 games in september so they are probably combing through all of their options. if they were to contact SO right now and say "kid, we want you now and we need you to help us qualify for euro 16" and JK gave no indication that he had him in his plans... you just never know. maybe in a few months he starts to consider it...

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #22
Wednesday September 25, 2013 4:11am

Joined May 2013
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Sounds a little depressing, but I think JK is set on his current group at CB. If anybody has a shot this cycle it would be Brooks, but I think that is a slim hope. He would need to be brought in asap. Definitely for the October qualies, and it looks like that is now in jeopardy with the elbow injury. I saw O'Neill in SJ, he was good, but I'd be shocked if someone that raw was brought in this late.

admsghs27
Post #23
Wednesday September 25, 2013 5:12am

Joined Nov 2012
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Shane oneill will never pass Gonzo besler or Brooks period... Heck hedges, John, Jean baltiste are better than Shane.. Id say therw are at least 10 mls cb"s in mls better than Shane curreny.. End of thread...

rainORshine
Post #24
Wednesday September 25, 2013 5:39am

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from admsghs27

Shane oneill will never pass Gonzo besler or Brooks period... Heck hedges, John, Jean baltiste are better than Shane.. Id say therw are at least 10 mls cb"s in mls better than Shane curreny.. End of thread...


k. good point

dunlopp9987
Post #25
Wednesday September 25, 2013 5:59am

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from admsghs27

Shane oneill will never pass Gonzo besler or Brooks period... Heck hedges, John, Jean baltiste are better than Shane.. Id say therw are at least 10 mls cb"s in mls better than Shane curreny.. End of thread...


Can we get an admin to lock this thread?
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EKneezy
Post #26
Wednesday September 25, 2013 6:39am

Joined May 2013
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Lol. End of thread is a great way to keep a thread going. See the Adu thread...

But I think January is a great time to bring him in. He's way better than Jean Baptiste who is solid and young like O'Neill but makes way too many mental errors. John and Hedges who knows with them.

All in all, I really wanna see him battling with JB, Farrell, Zimmerman, and others in January.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #27
Wednesday September 25, 2013 1:35pm

Joined Nov 2012
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"Will never" is pretty harsh...he's got lots of potential and at this point needs to get the rest of the season under his belt performing well, and he will get into the Jan camp. I could def. see him being called in to start in a friendly against a lesser team in the lead-up to the WC, though I wouldn't suggest we schedule too many of those, we need to face the highest level competition we can from now until the summer.

bbakerxyz
Post #28
Wednesday September 25, 2013 2:28pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 237
Rain - You're relentless, I'll give you that. You should be an agent. When you like a guy, you're balls out for him. O'neill has been good, but he's way down the depth chart for a spot in Brazil. You can't just put a 20 yr old CB in front of guys like Goodsen.

rainORshine
Post #29
Wednesday September 25, 2013 3:12pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from bbakerxyz

Rain - You're relentless, I'll give you that. You should be an agent. When you like a guy, you're balls out for him. O'neill has been good, but he's way down the depth chart for a spot in Brazil. You can't just put a 20 yr old CB in front of guys like Goodsen.


im not saying just move him up the chart and declare him a starter. just saying with WC 8 months away, just move up the time table with him a little - bring in to camp and take a look.

the depth chart is thin and weak - goodson, gonzalez and besler

who is #4? who is for sure ahead of oneill?
- brooks? - another 20 y/o with 1 cap?
- cameron? a RB with mixed results at CB?
- orozco? another guy who has played a lot of RB recently and has limited upside? (cmon - he is not even 6 feet tall)
- gooch? the guy without a team and who has never been the same sine knee injury?

msantone made a good analogy above. goodson and besler are alex smith - solid, steady, not exciting and bit limited upside. oneill (and brooks) are kaepernick - big upside already playing at a high level. (not sure who gonzo is)

just saying take a look sooner than later. thats all

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #30
Friday September 27, 2013 12:38am

Joined Jul 2012
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Rain may have a point. Just read an article on Goal.com that Shane has had informal talks with Ireland, and he has stated that he is very much open to an Ireland call-up. Which is interesting considering just last year he made remarks that his preferred National Team is the US.

It would suck to lose him to Ireland. Considering he is a product of the US system, and lived in the USA since he was 1 years old. I know the US doesn't want to lose dual nationals that have grown up in other countries, but if the USMNT starts to lose talented American citizen players that are brought up in the US system because they are to focused on dual nationals from other countries then the US national program priority's are all messed up.

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