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recycledhumans
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Post #16
Monday September 23, 2013 3:18pm

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Original post from Techskillz416

Your logic is not sound.....


Sounds pretty legit to me, some people don't see the big picture and only pay attention to each match as it comes.

EKneezy
Post #17
Monday September 23, 2013 4:01pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,640
Hertha announced today that Brooks is out 2-3 weeks. Hyperextended his right elbow and tore a muscle in his forearm.

Not looking good.

Techskillz416
Post #18
Monday September 23, 2013 4:11pm

Joined Aug 2013
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Original post from recycledhumans

Sounds pretty legit to me, some people don't see the big picture and only pay attention to each match as it comes.


Some People does not account for the entire USMNT fanbase... so how is that legit.? Will you complain if the US loses any of these next qualifiers?

logicoverall
Post #19
Monday September 23, 2013 5:12pm

Joined Feb 2013
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I'm not saying I'm going to be super worried if we lose one or both qualifiers in October, but I know that there will be people A.) complaining about changes to the roster, despite the fact that it was the way it was because of injuries B.) calling for Jurgen's head, because if we can't beat Jamaica and Panama, WHAT are we going to do against the big boys at the WC C.) spouting doom and gloom about how bad the US is.

Look back at ANY negative result for the US in the past 2-3 years, and you'll find each and every one of those types of comments. I'm not worried, but the American fan-base, as fair-weather as much of it is, will be worried if we lose games. It doesn't matter who we lose to, it doesn't matter how much the match means. People worry and fall off the bandwagon as soon as the U.S. isn't winning.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #20
Monday September 23, 2013 5:47pm

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We qualified. Yeah immediately the loses seem a big deal, assuming we lose, which I don't think will happen, but down the road it doesn't matter. We have a year to prepare for Brazil. The injured will return and we will find form. I'm not worried at all. If anything this gives us a reason to do what we've wanted to do from the very beginning: try young/fringe players and see how they do. I'd rather make these last few games a learning experience than lament over the absence of our stars. It has no immediate implications about our teams standing and frankly it's irrational to consume yourself in anguish because of it.

logicoverall
Post #21
Monday September 23, 2013 6:21pm

Joined Feb 2013
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Agreed ^^

Know Nothing
Post #22
Monday September 23, 2013 6:29pm

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Even before the injuries I was all for experimenting in the Jamaica fixture to give the fringe players much needed experience. Besides to injured, leaving Jozy in England to me makes sense...he will need to impress a new manager in order to get minutes so leaving him at Sunderland to train is more beneficial imho than recalling him.

For Jamaica (4-2-3-1),

Guzan
Lichaj, Cameron, Besler, Beasley
Klejstan, Beckerman
Corona, AJ, Shea
Boyd

For Panama (4-4-2):

Guzan
Evans, Gonzo, Besler, Beasley
Bedoya, Jones, Klejstan, F. Johnson
AJ, EJ

Techskillz416
Post #23
Monday September 23, 2013 7:37pm

Joined Aug 2013
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Original post from logicoverall

Agreed ^^


Lol then you agree with my first statement then duhh... he said exactly what I said...

recycledhumans
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Post #24
Monday September 23, 2013 7:58pm

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Original post from Techskillz416

Some People does not account for the entire USMNT fanbase... so how is that legit.? Will you complain if the US loses any of these next qualifiers?


I don't speak in such broad generalities as to presume to speak for the entire US fanbase. But guess what? Those some people are the ones that we're trying to persuade to actually start following local soccer so we can grow the league.

Believe me, anyone who knows how to look up my past posts will be able to tell that I definitely take the long view to our success, but when you look at it from more of a perspective of wanting to jumpstart the growth of the game, every match counts. American fans tend to only care about it when it's in their faces, which is why we only care about the Olympics once every couple of years. The more we win, the more coverage they'll get, the more coverage the more fans, simple as that.

Techskillz416
Post #25
Monday September 23, 2013 9:13pm

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Original post from recycledhumans

I don't speak in such broad generalities as to presume to speak for the entire US fanbase. But guess what? Those some people are the ones that we're trying to persuade to actually start following local soccer so we can grow the league.

Believe me, anyone who knows how to look up my past posts will be able to tell that I definitely take the long view to our success, but when you look at it from more of a perspective of wanting to jumpstart the growth of the game, every match counts. American fans tend to only care about it when it's in their faces, which is why we only care about the Olympics once every couple of years. The more we win, the more coverage they'll get, the more coverage the more fans, simple as that.


Totally disagree. And your kind of jumping from one subject to the other. What does winning right now in a qualifier have to do with saying that the fans would love to see AJ, Boyd, Green, Gil, Diskerud, FB, Chandler, JAB (if not injured) Klute, Farrell, Clarke, Joya, Daniel Cuevas, Adu, and others start the last couple of games knowing we are already in? Your saying the KC market would not tune in and be excited, or Seattle? How about L.A market, the the Triangle in NC., New York, Maryland? Thats a pretty big area of fans you claim don't really know to much about the importance of seeing what our depth is. Sure there are fans the way you described, that is ANY SPORT ANY WHERE IN THE WORLD but your selling the the American public short when it comes to soccer and the USMNT.

recycledhumans
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Post #26
Monday September 23, 2013 9:58pm

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Original post from Techskillz416

Totally disagree. And your kind of jumping from one subject to the other. What does winning right now in a qualifier have to do with saying that the fans would love to see AJ, Boyd, Green, Gil, Diskerud, FB, Chandler, JAB (if not injured) Klute, Farrell, Clarke, Joya, Daniel Cuevas, Adu, and others start the last couple of games knowing we are already in? Your saying the KC market would not tune in and be excited, or Seattle? How about L.A market, the the Triangle in NC., New York, Maryland? Thats a pretty big area of fans you claim don't really know to much about the importance of seeing what our depth is. Sure there are fans the way you described, that is ANY SPORT ANY WHERE IN THE WORLD but your selling the the American public short when it comes to soccer and the USMNT.


Dude, c'mon...the American people have been given plenty of opportunity over the last 20 years to get behind the team nationally and develop interest in their local pro squad. If it hasn't happened by now to be an accepted mainstream sport, nothing short of sustained, lengthy era of stellar performances by the national team will attract the general public.

Even then, will it make much of a difference? We won't know until it happens.

Getting back to the subject of your dissent, it's the fans with the long view to the game that are excited to see the young prospects, because we're excited about the possibilities. The Joe Schmo tuning in every so often wants to see the starters every time, and wants to see them win. I'm not saying that people with the long view don't want a win every time out, they just know it's not the most important thing when developing a coherent squad, especially when incorporating new, young talent.

My point is, and has always been, that the growth of the game domestically is inextricably linked to the success of the Nats. Not the only factor, I can concede, but among the most important to be sure.

Techskillz416
Post #27
Tuesday September 24, 2013 2:29am

Joined Aug 2013
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Original post from recycledhumans

Dude, c'mon...the American people have been given plenty of opportunity over the last 20 years to get behind the team nationally and develop interest in their local pro squad. If it hasn't happened by now to be an accepted mainstream sport, nothing short of sustained, lengthy era of stellar performances by the national team will attract the general public.

Even then, will it make much of a difference? We won't know until it happens.

Getting back to the subject of your dissent, it's the fans with the long view to the game that are excited to see the young prospects, because we're excited about the possibilities. The Joe Schmo tuning in every so often wants to see the starters every time, and wants to see them win. I'm not saying that people with the long view don't want a win every time out, they just know it's not the most important thing when developing a coherent squad, especially when incorporating new, young talent.

My point is, and has always been, that the growth of the game domestically is inextricably linked to the success of the Nats. Not the only factor, I can concede, but among the most important to be sure.


Again wtf does that have to do with me stating that the next couple games should have youth and non starters? What you basically saying is you don't believe that can even compete..?

Chrisou101
Post #28
Tuesday September 24, 2013 5:01am

Joined Nov 2012
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Klinsmann is not going to bring in youth players, he wants the six points. I want to see young players but now's not the time.

chillguy1992
Post #29
Tuesday September 24, 2013 7:41am

Joined May 2013
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I still dont think our left back situation is settled if fabian johnson is going stay in midfield as it seems like juergen is planning on. However if he plans on moving to fabian which I think he should do in the next qualifiers then our left back position is presumably settled. If not I think lichaj or chandler could potentially get run outs chandler has played left back before as has lichaj while it wouldnt be the most ideal of situations it would be better then beasley. I really think we need to end the beasley left back experiment the costa rica game showed while its good to have speed beasley is not a left back and the sooner klinsmann can figure it out the better. I also think evans is not a long term solution either I think we really should try to switch up our defense in the last game.

Cameron Goodson(if healthy) Besler Johnson we should try that out fabian goes forward and cameron stays back. Goodson looked really good against mexico he has really shown well I think he has played better then gonzo has. If brooks is healthy in the future we could possibly do brooks and besler brooks has improved a lot on his heading and he has played very well in the bundesliga. Chandler and lichaj also could be used potentially at right back instead of cameron. A lot of options but I dont like evans and beasley as potential starters for the world cup. Klijestan could deffinetly be tried out as a replacement for michael bradley in our next two games.

recycledhumans
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Post #30
Tuesday September 24, 2013 2:06pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Techskillz416

Again wtf does that have to do with me stating that the next couple games should have youth and non starters? What you basically saying is you don't believe that can even compete..?


Bro, I agree...I'm all about getting the younger guys in there. And as I said when I first started on this thread, I don't personally care about individual wins in matches that don't particularly matter, those should be for young guys to cut their teeth and get some notches on the proverbial belt.

I was solely making an argument for why we should always seek the win, and why we should always field the strongest 11. I don't personally believe that's the way to go, but I can certainly understand the mindset of someone who would make such an argument.

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