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MSantoine
Post #1
Monday September 16, 2013 1:37pm

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Egypt got drawn versus Ghana in the African playoffs. How fitting is it that the team that was Bradley's achilies heel stands in his way once again. Good luck to BB.

Mojofc
Post #2
Monday September 16, 2013 2:31pm

Joined Jan 2013
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If bob beats Ghana does that count as USA breaking the curse as well? Hmm
Rain, rain, go away Come again another day
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #3
Monday September 16, 2013 4:26pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Should be a good series, but you have to think Ghana go through, and Bradley will be run out of Egypt unceremonially. But, I ill be rooting for Bob.

stone88
Post #4
Monday September 16, 2013 4:43pm

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Very unlucky for Eygpt and Bob. Ghanna is gonna go through, but if Bob SOMEHOW managed to knock Ghana out of the WC, that could possibly be one of his best contributions to the USMNT. I don't think I could bare watching us basically get eliminated by Ghana in three straight WCs.

MSantoine
Post #5
Monday September 16, 2013 4:55pm

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Egypt is great recently at just coming up short for qualification (same as South Africa). They were 4 spots in the rankings behind Tunisia for being seeded. Such is life in the importance of FIFA rankings

chillguy1992
Post #6
Monday September 16, 2013 9:53pm

Joined May 2013
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I feel bad for Egypt they are facing the top team in africa. Ivory Coast is still good but in my opinion Ghana at the moment has leapfrogged the ivory coast as the best team in africa. I think Egpyt will only pull of an upset if their counterattack can get goals. I am deffinetly rooting for egypt to pull of the win. For Egypt their worry has to be dealing with Kevin Prince Boateng back in the international fold, and Asamoah Gyan if they can find a way to limit their impact only then can they win.

rainORshine
Post #7
Monday September 16, 2013 10:10pm

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CAF WCQ is messed up. after all this, including dominating their group, BB/eqypt have to beat ghana over 2 leg tie to qualify. very unforgiving

not really a great way to identify the 5 strongest african teams

seems like they really have to form larger groups of 6-9 teams (instead of groups of 4) with winners qualifying, and possibly a play-off for the 5th spot...

final round could be...
- 4 groups of 9
- winners qualify. top 2 2nd place teams play-off for 5th spot

MSantoine
Post #8
Tuesday September 17, 2013 1:47am

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Original post from rainORshine

CAF WCQ is messed up. after all this, including dominating their group, BB/eqypt have to beat ghana over 2 leg tie to qualify. very unforgiving

not really a great way to identify the 5 strongest african teams

seems like they really have to form larger groups of 6-9 teams (instead of groups of 4) with winners qualifying, and possibly a play-off for the 5th spot...

final round could be...
- 4 groups of 9
- winners qualify. top 2 2nd place teams play-off for 5th spot


The same thing would happen even in your format. Youd have a group like Ghana, Egypt, Cameroon (or South America), Morocco, Guinea, Ethiopia, and others. And if they didnt win their group theyd most likely be eliminated (in your format only top2 of 4 groups runner ups stay alive). Africa set there qualifying up like Europe. They made it so the top teams never play each other ever. In Europe Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Germany, England never ever play each other in WCQ as they are always in pot 1. And even if they are runner ups they stay seeded. Africa does the same thing. The top 5 teams can not play each other in a cycle ever. This time it was Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Algeria, and Tunisia.

The only other option for them to incorporate is like Asia and have multiple prelim rounds. Asia had 5 rounds of qualifying. They dont start until round 4. They go from 43 down to 10. Its the only other alternative CAF could do. Have multiple prelim rounds to knock it down from 53 to 20 or 30. Then would have 5 groups of 4 or 5 where top 2 in each group make the final round of 2 groups of 5. Problem with this set up is it helps the top teams (like CONCACAF and Asia) as they get multiple byes and it hurts the mid teams chances of qualifying. Teams like Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, T&T have such a hard time qualifying because they have mutiple road block to overcome. In Africa's current format teams like Ethiopia, Burkina Faso, Tunisia have a shot every cycle to catch a better draw in the 10 groups round and get lucky in a home and home shot

rainORshine
Post #9
Tuesday September 17, 2013 3:12am

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from MSantoine

The same thing would happen even in your format. Youd have a group like Ghana, Egypt, Cameroon (or South America), Morocco, Guinea, Ethiopia, and others. And if they didnt win their group theyd most likely be eliminated (in your format only top2 of 4 groups runner ups stay alive). Africa set there qualifying up like Europe. They made it so the top teams never play each other ever. In Europe Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Germany, England never ever play each other in WCQ as they are always in pot 1. And even if they are runner ups they stay seeded. Africa does the same thing. The top 5 teams can not play each other in a cycle ever. This time it was Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Algeria, and Tunisia.

The only other option for them to incorporate is like Asia and have multiple prelim rounds. Asia had 5 rounds of qualifying. They dont start until round 4. They go from 43 down to 10. Its the only other alternative CAF could do. Have multiple prelim rounds to knock it down from 53 to 20 or 30. Then would have 5 groups of 4 or 5 where top 2 in each group make the final round of 2 groups of 5. Problem with this set up is it helps the top teams (like CONCACAF and Asia) as they get multiple byes and it hurts the mid teams chances of qualifying. Teams like Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, T&T have such a hard time qualifying because they have mutiple road block to overcome. In Africa's current format teams like Ethiopia, Burkina Faso, Tunisia have a shot every cycle to catch a better draw in the 10 groups round and get lucky in a home and home shot


no, in the format i presented, you find out who the better team is over 16 game double round robin instead of 2 game games.

also in my format you still have a shot by finishing 2nd

not really the same thing.

you dont need 10 groups to separate the top 4 or 5 teams. you need 4 or 5

i want the best teams to qualify from each federation. would much rather see africa whittle things down to 20-30 much quicker and have the better teams earn their ticket like every other region as opposed to a 2 game crap shoot

also seems like it would only help the region to have some of the better teams play more games against each other

here is nigeria's road to brazil
(4-team group)
kenya - 118
malawi - 122
namibia - 127

now they face ethiopia - ranked 93 in 2 game play-off

nigeria will not have to face a team ranked higher than 93 in the world even though there are 24 teams in africa ranked higher than 93

tell me that makes sense...

tjknowsall
Post #10
Tuesday September 17, 2013 3:59am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 159
but on the bright side the great footballing country that i love of Burkina Faso have a great chance of getting by Algeria and reaching their first ever world cup!!!!!

skangles
DC
Post #11
Tuesday September 17, 2013 10:34pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,262
I really feel for Bob as this is a tough draw but I'll be pulling for Bob and Egypt in October/November.

I personally was hopin for Bob to be fired after the Panama loss / Mexico melt down in the 2011 Gold Cup and while this has worked out for both the MNT and Bob, I have to admit I was wrong. He's a great coach (despite his irrational support for Bornstein).

I feel that Egypt has all the requirements to be the equivalent of Iraq in the 2004 Olympics at the World Cup. Bob has done a number of interviews lately including the Daily Show and while he's not exactly the most personable character, it's apparent what a special circumstance he's working under in Egypt.

admsghs27
Post #12
Tuesday September 17, 2013 10:54pm

Joined Nov 2012
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If Egypt goes trough I have a feeling if both usa and Egypt get out of group stage they will meet in the round of 16..

tjknowsall
Post #13
Wednesday September 18, 2013 12:11am

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admsghs their is a far greater chance they will meet in the group stage... to meet in the r16 would mean the usa or egypt have to win their group, and seeing that the usa has only won the group once in 50 years and egypt has never, that is highly unlikely....

admsghs27
Post #14
Wednesday September 18, 2013 12:39am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,213
Original post from tjknowsall

admsghs their is a far greater chance they will meet in the group stage... to meet in the r16 would mean the usa or egypt have to win their group, and seeing that the usa has only won the group once in 50 years and egypt has never, that is highly unlikely....


Not saying is gonna happen but anything is possible.. It would be interesting if they play at any point regardless...

skangles
DC
Post #15
Tuesday October 8, 2013 9:20pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Ghana formally requested that FIFA move Egypt's home leg of their playoff to a neutral field because of riots in Cairo. Just another reason to hate Ghana. If FIFA obliges then it better move both legs to neutral grounds.

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