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logicoverall
Post #1
Thursday September 12, 2013 7:41pm

Joined Feb 2013
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Fifa World Rankings----Current Points---Max Possible-----Minimum Possible
1. Spain ------------1514 --------1481----------1383
2. Argentina---------1263 --------1425 ---------1217
3. Germany ---------1261 --------1295 ----------1095
4. Italy -------------1199 -------1265-----------1130
5. Colombia ----------1180 --------1202 ----------988
6. Belgium ----------1159 ---------1249---------- 996
7. Uruguay ----------1126 --------1293 ---------1127
8. Brazil ------------1067 --------1127 ----------1037
9. Netherlands --------1058 --------1120 ----------920
10. Croatia -----------1051 -------1130 ----------904
11. Portugal ----------1029 --------1054----------926
12. Greece ----------1016 ---------1000---------- 857
13. USA -------------996 ---------1061 ---------979
14. Switzerland --------992 --------1191 ----------947
15. Russia ------------968 ---------987 ----------861
16. Chile -------------967 --------1090 ----------889
17. England ----------947 ----------1076 ---------898
18. Bosnia-Herzegovina ---934 ----------974 ----------870
19. Cote d'Ivoire -------902 ----------884 ----------884
20. Ecuador ----------851 ----------972 ----------736

So... I guess in an unrealistically best case scenario, the U.S. could be up to 6th after the October games. Unfortunately that would involve several of the teams ahead of us BOTH losing when they play against each other. I think realistically, with 2 wins in October, the U.S. can move into the top 10, but probably not quite far enough to crack the seeded teams list. There are several teams behind us who can leapfrog us in the rankings next month as well, simply because of the confederation and opponent ranking element of the metric.

lcutri
Post #2
Thursday September 12, 2013 9:27pm

Joined Aug 2013
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I think top 10 by the World Cup would be a lofty goal, but a reachable goal considering the countries in front of us. Trying to get a seed by a December would mean too many stars would have to align and it would be highly improable.

skangles
DC
Post #3
Thursday September 12, 2013 9:35pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 2,004
This is all completely meaningless unless it results in a seed. I don't care if we're ranked 10th or 20th. I only care about putting the pieces of the puzzle that is our roster together to allow us to compete in the World Cup.

Remember we were ranked fourth in the FIFA rankings in 2006 and then we crashed and burned in Germany.

logicoverall
Post #4
Friday September 13, 2013 12:29am

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Well obviously the only thing that matters is a seed in terms of rankings. My point was just that it IS possible, however unlikely.

tardis91
Post #5
Friday September 13, 2013 6:25pm

Joined Jun 2013
Total Posts: 84
Im not sure but I remember reading somewhere that being in the top 10 allows your players to play in Europe without a Visa issue, Im not sure how true that is. Just if it is being 10th is a big deal. But being top 8 looks like a hard sell, Uruguay would have to lose both games big to not qualify and a win probably locks them in top 10. Croatia Portugal and Greece will probably be in the playoffs and maybe matched up against one or the other. So cracking the top 8 maybe difficult, given the advantage UEFA/CONMEBOL has as a strength multiplier. Never know though.

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #6
Friday September 13, 2013 6:28pm

Joined Sep 2012
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The only 2 teams that scare me are Spain and Belgium

Jzaval01
Post #7
Friday September 13, 2013 7:29pm

Joined May 2013
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Uruguay losing next two game is prob likely to happen. An away match to an undefeated at home Ecuador through all qualifiers only Argentina managed a tie there. LAst match is with an undefeated Argentina since 11/11/11 in Montevideo (Uruguay) its home match.
Uruguay won last two matches but far extremely not convincing. Not the same Uruguay from WC 2010

Lykou11601
Post #8
Friday September 13, 2013 9:58pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 122
Original post from blaise213

The only 2 teams that scare me are Spain and Belgium


Scare you how? Like if we had to play them? Because I can think of a lot more teams

Know Nothing
Post #9
Friday September 13, 2013 10:06pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 377
Original post from blaise213

The only 2 teams that scare me are Spain and Belgium


The three I would like to avoid are Germany, Belgium, and Brazil. Of the teams that will presumably be seeded they are the most dynamic and adaptive.

Sure, Spain is tough, but they only are effective playing one way...they have no plan B and if you can disrupt them and hit them on the counter their defense is not the best in the world.

skangles
DC
Post #10
Friday July 18, 2014 5:45am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 2,004
We are 15th in the latest rankings but here's the talking point: Algeria slipped two spots from the ranking before the World Cup! Yes, the same Algeria that made the knockout stage and went toe to toe with the eventual champions slipped from 22nd to 24th! This should be an irrelevant point but any methodology that allows for Algeria to slip in the rankings yet is still used to determine seeded teams is wrong.

Meanwhile Venezuela jumped 10 spots despite not making the World Cup.

admsghs27
Post #11
Friday July 18, 2014 9:11am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,293
Like I always said. Rankings are Overrated!!!!!

MSantoine
Post #12
Friday July 18, 2014 12:02pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,202
Original post from skangles

We are 15th in the latest rankings but here's the talking point: Algeria slipped two spots from the ranking before the World Cup! Yes, the same Algeria that made the knockout stage and went toe to toe with the eventual champions slipped from 22nd to 24th! This should be an irrelevant point but any methodology that allows for Algeria to slip in the rankings yet is still used to determine seeded teams is wrong.

Meanwhile Venezuela jumped 10 spots despite not making the World Cup.


You have to remember part of the dumbness is that FIFA rankings are a rolling average so nothing is in a bubble. With the 2014 world cup results officially counting the 2010 world cup results officially fall by the wayside (including friendlies in the run up to the world cup in 2010).

The better rankings are SPI (courtesy of ESPN). They take into account things like player ability based off of club performances, also subjective but less so,

In that one we are 20th (seems about right), one sspot behind Costa Rica (based off of World Cup performance that seems fair). Their top 6 are Germany, Netherlands, Colombia, Argentina, France, Brazil. The 4 semi finalists and two quarterfinalists that looked the best until they lost. Also you could tell by watching the tournement that Netherlands and Colombia were better than Argentina (Argentina technically tied Netherlands as PKs count as ties) and France looked better than Brazil all tourney.

Also if you prefer ELO (again hundreds of times better than FIFA) then the top 6 is Germany, Netherlands, Argentina, Colombia, Spain, Brazil (Spain was so far ahead pre world cup that the drop to 5 was huge). In those USA is 17th, behind Costa Rica (15th) and Mexico (11th).

Regardless of the rankings systems I think its safe to say and from watching games that USA is in the 15-20 range when it comes to national team quality. And really teams 11-40 are probably closer to each other than any of them are to the top 8 or so.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #13
Friday July 18, 2014 4:12pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 211
If you combine the 3 rankings you get

1-Germany
2-Netherlands
3-Argentina
4-Colombia
5-Brazil
6-Spain
7-France
8-Belgium
9-Chile
10-Uruguay
11-Portugal
12-Switzerland
13-England
14-Mexico
15-Italy
16-Costa Rica
17-USA
18-Ecuador
19-Bosnia & Herzegovina
20-Greece
21-Croatia
22-Ukraine
23-Ghana
24-Serbia
Russia
26-Ivory Coast
27-Sweden
28-Algeria
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IntheLou
Post #14
Friday July 18, 2014 6:04pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 9
off USAGunner's list in the top 20: Europe 12, S America 5, CONCACAF 3, Africa and Asia and the rest if that lot 0. Doesn't match the qualification slots for the WC in any way, but attests to the growth in CONCACAF quality.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #15
Friday July 18, 2014 8:04pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 211
Original post from IntheLou

off USAGunner's list in the top 20: Europe 12, S America 5, CONCACAF 3, Africa and Asia and the rest if that lot 0. Doesn't match the qualification slots for the WC in any way, but attests to the growth in CONCACAF quality.


I've gone back and forth on the qualification slots. I think it boils down to while Concacaf has 3 teams better than anything Asia and Africa put out there it's the 4 and 5 spots where they are better.

Those continents (at least Africa) are much deeper than Concacaf. Until the "others" can get better, 3.5 is about right for the Concacaf.

FYI look at FIFA's ranking score system and they think Concacaf is better than Africa and Asia.
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