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Ironman
Post #16
Thursday September 12, 2013 2:48am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 13
Grassroots and pre-season games would help MLS ratings. But not enough to where MLS passes the NHL.

I know a lot of people that will watch Bundesliga on GolTV (which a lot of people don't have now) over MLS.

NBC paid for BPL rights because people watch. Hate to say it, but MLS is the CFL and the BPL is the NFL when is comes to soccer viewers in the U.S.

Real improvement will be seen when the USNT is composed of players that play in MLS (like around 15-18) and the others being MLS produced players (5-8) that play overseas; AND, the USNT gets to a World Cup semifinal or final.

That's why Dempsey coming back is important. It would be nice to see Onyewu, Edu, Parkhurst, and other USNT players not getting playing time in MLS.

At the moment 17 out of the 45 players that have been Klinsmann's various WCQ rosters play in MLS. 12 others have played in MLS. 16 have never played in the league.

MLS is vital to the success of the USNT, but when almost one-third have no ties to the league and less than 40% play in the league it's tough to sell MLS to soccer viewers that tune into other competitions.

Viewers that tune in for BPL (the best/deepest league in the world one can argue) and the UEFA Champion's League want to see the best. At the moment MLS isn't so people don't tune in.

The same can be said for attendance. The 1994 World Cup averaged, what, 55k per game?

Not all those in attendance were from outside the country; you know Dutch, German, Brazilians, etc flying in to see their team play.

MLS should be averaging 30,000 per game, frankly.

The butts are in the U.S. to fill seats in the stadia as well as on couches and bars. The product has to be there too.

dunlopp9987
Post #17
Thursday September 12, 2013 2:53am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,643
Original post from Ironman

Grassroots and pre-season games would help MLS ratings. But not enough to where MLS passes the NHL.

I know a lot of people that will watch Bundesliga on GolTV (which a lot of people don't have now) over MLS.

NBC paid for BPL rights because people watch. Hate to say it, but MLS is the CFL and the BPL is the NFL when is comes to soccer viewers in the U.S.

Real improvement will be seen when the USNT is composed of players that play in MLS (like around 15-18) and the others being MLS produced players (5-8) that play overseas; AND, the USNT gets to a World Cup semifinal or final.

That's why Dempsey coming back is important. It would be nice to see Onyewu, Edu, Parkhurst, and other USNT players not getting playing time in MLS.

At the moment 17 out of the 45 players that have been Klinsmann's various WCQ rosters play in MLS. 12 others have played in MLS. 16 have never played in the league.

MLS is vital to the success of the USNT, but when almost one-third have no ties to the league and less than 40% play in the league it's tough to sell MLS to soccer viewers that tune into other competitions.

Viewers that tune in for BPL (the best/deepest league in the world one can argue) and the UEFA Champion's League want to see the best. At the moment MLS isn't so people don't tune in.

The same can be said for attendance. The 1994 World Cup averaged, what, 55k per game?

Not all those in attendance were from outside the country; you know Dutch, German, Brazilians, etc flying in to see their team play.

MLS should be averaging 30,000 per game, frankly.

The butts are in the U.S. to fill seats in the stadia as well as on couches and bars. The product has to be there too.


If I'm not mistaken, MLS was third behind the NFL and MLB last year in attendance, beating out the NBA and NHL. I'd say that's pretty good progress...
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stone88
Post #18
Thursday September 12, 2013 3:25am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,518
Check this out. Its like watching college football gameday, except its about soccer!?!?

http://espnfc.com/video/espnfc/video/_/id/154...

Jzaval01
Post #19
Thursday September 12, 2013 3:53am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
great post stone88

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #20
Thursday September 12, 2013 4:15am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from recycledhumans

Community outreach, my man, community outreach. The more you see MLS players hanging out around youth tourneys and camps, the more you're likely to make a lasting impact on young soccer players that will keep them interested in the sport throughout their formative years and into adulthood.

Agreed and also advertising on local TV/Radio stations, I hardly see any Ads on media.

admsghs27
Post #21
Thursday September 12, 2013 4:39am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Ratings were also good on Spanish t.v I think little by little it will translate to higher ratings for MLS...

mattgerlach
Florida
Post #22
Thursday September 12, 2013 2:21pm

Joined Mar 2012
Total Posts: 13
If there is no consistency in when and where games are being broadcast, it hurts ratings, if ratings are hurting, there is no consistency. It's a bad cycle, it's hard to have big markets who love watching (the east coast) unable to watch games because the do not start until 11pm when west coast teams are playing. If the average fan knew games would be on every Tuesday night for example from 6-8 and 8-10 don't you think ratings would go up? When is the NFL played? Thursdays, Sundays, Mondays. When is college football played? Saturdays. MLB, ALL THE TIME! So you always know as a fan, when you can watch. The average fan needs consistency.

MSantoine
Post #23
Thursday September 12, 2013 2:35pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from Ironman

Real improvement will be seen when the USNT is composed of players that play in
MLS should be averaging 30,000 per game, frankly.
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This is such a bad statement to make. And people thinking like this is part of whats wrong. Here is the list of leagues that average 30k per game.

NFL, Bundesliga, EPL, Australian Rules Football, MLB, La Liga.

Thats it. You have top 3 soccer league, top 2 american sports, and Aussie Football (must be awesome). The only soccer leagues in the world with higher attendence numbers are the three above, Liga MX, Serie A, Dutch League, French Ligue 1, and Argentina Premier league. That shows we are already the 9th most watched league in the world. Once teams like San Jose, DC, Revs get new stadiums, and Chivas gets relocated we'll be in the 22,000 range and probably just behing Serie A. We are better than Russia, Portugal, Scottish, all Scandanavia, Greek, Turkish. All leagues that we should be competing with for now and moving ahead of.

lcutri
Post #24
Thursday September 12, 2013 9:53pm

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 19
I've always thought merging the MLS, USL, and NASL and making a 3-tier system with promotion and relegation from one league to another would help the grass roots in this country immensly. The other leagues have teams in those markets and allows them the opportunity to reach the top level.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #25
Thursday September 12, 2013 9:57pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,504
Original post from lcutri

I've always thought merging the MLS, USL, and NASL and making a 3-tier system with promotion and relegation from one league to another would help the grass roots in this country immensly. The other leagues have teams in those markets and allows them the opportunity to reach the top level.


It's far more likely that eventually both the NASL and USL pro will turn into farm leagues like MLB.

Pro/Rel is fools gold, and will never work in the USA.

lcutri
Post #26
Friday September 13, 2013 2:51am

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 19
For all of you talking about TV ratings and grass roots and all that stuff, let me give you a little history lesson, as well as show you my age.

When I was 11, my dad took me to Madison Square Garden in New York to watch Argentina beat Holland in the 1978 World Cup Final. It was closed-circuit television back then; the precursor to cable TV and pay-per-view. you couldn't get that at home.

PBS would show a shortened version of 1 premier game, probably from the week before.

ABC only showed the 1982 World Cup final on network TV and back then they did commercials during the game. So if a goal happened during a commercial, they went back and showed a replay of the goal. You could watch all the games only on Spanish television.

NBC showed a few games in 1986, including the final, but it was the same format. By this time, the old NASL had folded, so the popularity of the sport was dwindling. Like before, you could still watch the games on Spanish TV.

1990, all of the games were only shown on Spanish TV, including the final, including the US games. The shot heard around the world was a back page sports picture, but not much else.

I don't remember if it was 1993 or 1994, I saw AC Milan defeat Barcelona in a Champions League Final. It was pay-per-view. There was no sound to the game except for the announcer to the game.I do remember Romario playing for Barcelona at the time.

1994: The first time ESPN got involved and the first time all the games were shown on English speaking TV. Some of the more popular games, as well as the US games were shown on ABC.

1995: ESPN shows Copa America for the first time. US finishes 4th in the event

1997: Fox Soccer Channel was born.They are the first to show Champions League games, complete Premier League Games, as well as various other sports

1998: ESPN has pre-game show for each US game at the World Cup

2003: GOL TV is born showing bundesliga, Argentine and Brazilian league games

2008: European Cup is shown for the first time

Grass roots and growth of the sport takes time. People in this day and age expect immediate results. I remember where this sport was and I see where it is going. The excitement and popularity in the US is growing, little by little. But we have to go through all the people who are ignorant, especially in the media.We may not win a world cup in my lifetime, but we will win one.

skangles
DC
Post #27
Friday September 13, 2013 3:21am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,447
Original post from 2tone

It's far more likely that eventually both the NASL and USL pro will turn into farm leagues like MLB.

Pro/Rel is fools gold, and will never work in the USA.


Agreed, it's not part of our culture and Cities + Owners would tar and feather Garber if he suggested that they may be out of the league after their monster investments in Soccer Specific Stadiums.

I love the thought of it though, even it were just one team up and down each season. Can you imagine the Cosmos winning promotion and flipping Garber off the entire way? Or seeing the Tampa Bay Rowdies or San Antonio Scorpions back on the big stage?

Not only that but some of the best games in Europe are at the end of the seasons with the teams facing relegation. Those games can be ever more entertaining that the games to win the league.

Right now DC United would need to be busting their tails to try and stay up as opposed to recognizing the season as a lost cause / growing experience a few months ago.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #28
Friday September 13, 2013 1:25pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
Original post from 2tone

It's far more likely that eventually both the NASL and USL pro will turn into farm leagues like MLB.

Pro/Rel is fools gold, and will never work in the USA.


I don't see them as mutually exclusive, I think that once the strength of the lower leagues grows to and past the point of being the MLB-like farm teams, I think that we're more likely to see some kind of pro/rel system. I don't see that happening for a very very long time, probably two or three decades at least. By then, the coverage of foreign leagues, all of which do the same, we'll be looking to add another angle to get the fans invested.

You may be right though, maybe I'm just optimistic.

MSantoine
Post #29
Friday September 13, 2013 5:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
The problem with pro/rel is in theory its ideal. Add Orlando and San Antonio, relegate Chivas and San Jose (or Columbus, or NE) but realistically youd relegate teams like Phile, or DC, or Seattle and hurt MLS. It works in England because they have about 50 teams that could support an EPL team, maybe more. We realistically have 25-30, maybe 35. Until we get that number to 50 or so it wont work. Now if we have 50 clubs with 20k+ soccer specific stadiums and got average attendances of at least 15k then we could make it work with a 30 team MLS and a 20 team USL, but until we get to that day it could potentially hurt MLS more than it would help

tardis91
Post #30
Friday September 13, 2013 5:56pm

Joined Jun 2013
Total Posts: 84
Original post from MSantoine

The problem with pro/rel is in theory its ideal. Add Orlando and San Antonio, relegate Chivas and San Jose (or Columbus, or NE) but realistically youd relegate teams like Phile, or DC, or Seattle and hurt MLS. It works in England because they have about 50 teams that could support an EPL team, maybe more. We realistically have 25-30, maybe 35. Until we get that number to 50 or so it wont work. Now if we have 50 clubs with 20k+ soccer specific stadiums and got average attendances of at least 15k then we could make it work with a 30 team MLS and a 20 team USL, but until we get to that day it could potentially hurt MLS more than it would help


Agree makes more sense in a league or country where the stadiums are able to support a top tier team. Before that can happen you have to see stadiums built money invested, and perhaps a tv deal for the lower leagues. The interest is just not there for that currently. You build it by holding camps for local youth teams, provide cheap seating options on opening day or on set holidays. Bring in better regional tv deals and advertise the league with one key game at the same time on the same day. Everyone knows Saturdays are EPL even though they play through the week too most people know its on Saturday morning, with MLS its all over the place and casual fans dont know when its on. In the future a pro/rel league is ideal but at the current time I dont think can be supported.

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