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Rey Regicide
Post #31
Wednesday September 11, 2013 8:10pm

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Do you think at this point in the qualification process towards Brazil it is too late to accept a new player in the pool? Someone who has a surge in performance and form at a club (Paul Arriola, Sebastian Lletget, Marc Pelosi etc in the ever fortuitous event that they become primary contributors at their club) would merit consideration for the fold come June 2014, surely no?

When do you guys think the final cutoff for consideration for the World Cup take place. Months before the friendlies for the World Cup, at the conclusion of the European seasons, or the night before roster selections have to be made for the big show?

Rey Regicide
Post #32
Wednesday September 11, 2013 8:16pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

Sorry, but I see no possible way to be a seeded team and quite frankly we always play better as an underdog, so it does not bother me.

We need to find out about a few players so why not experiment a little. I'm not saying go overboard, but give players you have called up for qualifiers a starting role...use the bench. Brooks and Johanssen need some starts.

Key thing for me is to try and find out a replacement for Michael Bradley. If he is out for a month he won't be ready for the October qualifiers so leave him in Italy. Same with some of the other European players (Howard and Jozy definitely) they don't need the long travel, and with Jozy, acclimating himslef with his teammates could be advantageous trying to get him scoring for his club.


Do you suggest finding an actual like for like replacement, or more of a plan B for if and when he becomes unavailible during the tournament?

MSantoine
Post #33
Wednesday September 11, 2013 8:30pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Rey Regicide

Do you think at this point in the qualification process towards Brazil it is too late to accept a new player in the pool? Someone who has a surge in performance and form at a club (Paul Arriola, Sebastian Lletget, Marc Pelosi etc in the ever fortuitous event that they become primary contributors at their club) would merit consideration for the fold come June 2014, surely no?

When do you guys think the final cutoff for consideration for the World Cup take place. Months before the friendlies for the World Cup, at the conclusion of the European seasons, or the night before roster selections have to be made for the big show?


Last cycle Buddle, Herc, and Findley werent in the picture until January camp and march friendlys. Its never too late as you dont know what injuries, benchings, etc could crop up

Rey Regicide
Post #34
Wednesday September 11, 2013 8:33pm

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Original post from MSantoine

Last cycle Buddle, Herc, and Findley werent in the picture until January camp and march friendlys. Its never too late as you dont know what injuries, benchings, etc could crop up


Oh yea, you're right, most definitely, that's what I had in mind, but Klinsmann has shown to be a different animal than Bradley.

Love both coaches, but Jurgen might opt for a set lineup early on and concentrate on working with what he's got in order to get the style and system in place. I mean, it's essentially what he promised when he took over. See what I'm saying?

So barring the supplements required due to injuries like you said, do you think he goes for what's best availible up until the last possible moment, or does he pick a lineup, a team and say, this is it. Let's line up the friendlies and work on our tactics.

navi8132
Post #35
Wednesday September 11, 2013 8:39pm

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There is no style and there is no system. What you saw in 2011 is the same you see in 2013, just with better players capable of better combos/strikes/dribbling.

Rey Regicide
Post #36
Wednesday September 11, 2013 8:40pm

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Original post from MSantoine

Last cycle Buddle, Herc, and Findley werent in the picture until January camp and march friendlys. Its never too late as you dont know what injuries, benchings, etc could crop up


Sorry, you've answered that point already, it's probably more prudent to wait until the seasons are over, (at least in Europe since that's where alot of our players are coming in from) and judging their form (injuries, performances) at that juncture. I get you.

Rey Regicide
Post #37
Wednesday September 11, 2013 8:42pm

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Original post from navi8132

There is no style and there is no system. What you saw in 2011 is the same you see in 2013, just with better players capable of better combos/strikes/dribbling.


The better players being primarily on the defensive side? Or our players being in better form (altidore, bradley)?

Know Nothing
Post #38
Wednesday September 11, 2013 9:38pm

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Original post from Rey Regicide

Do you suggest finding an actual like for like replacement, or more of a plan B for if and when he becomes unavailible during the tournament?


I believe the Gold Cup gave us plan B already. As we saw in Costa Rica, we need a like for like replacement who can step into the squad without disrupting the other 10 field players. Of all the players in our pool, Bradley is the only one who does not have a direct replacement who can step in without disrupting the setup of the rest of the squad.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #39
Wednesday September 11, 2013 10:24pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

I believe the Gold Cup gave us plan B already. As we saw in Costa Rica, we need a like for like replacement who can step into the squad without disrupting the other 10 field players. Of all the players in our pool, Bradley is the only one who does not have a direct replacement who can step in without disrupting the setup of the rest of the squad.


I don't necessarily agree there, I think that most of what makes Bradley Bradley is his understanding of the role he plays and the roles of those around him. He's free to get forward when he plays with JJ because he knows he's more likely to hang back, he hangs back when playing with Mix or Holden because he knows they're more likely to get forward, etc. His understanding of the game is due in no small part to being reared by one of the best coaches that we've ever produced as a nation and total immersion from youth...maybe even birth.

I think we rely too much on his game-reading ability and have paid for the less clearly defined roles that the CMs have when he's not in the squad.

Know Nothing
Post #40
Wednesday September 11, 2013 11:43pm

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Thinking about it you are right.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #41
Thursday September 12, 2013 12:11am

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I will say that this stat is really cool. 6 starters that beat Mexico last night ply their trade in MLS

Ironman
Post #42
Thursday September 12, 2013 1:15am

Joined Sep 2013
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My thoughts-

First off, any player that played out of position or filled in for injured players against Costa Rica didn't disrupt the starting eleven.

Costa Rica outplayed the USNT. Period. They wanted the game more. It was a vital game for both and the U.S. lost to the better team; at least the better team on that day.

It was good to see the U.S. rebound, with more replacements in the line-up, against Mexico. This was a vital game for both sides, too. The U.S. outplayed Mexico, showing character at the same time.

The loss against Costa Rica was important as it shows this team that no matter how deep the pool is, you're still not Spain. You can still lose a game. Turning it around and winning vs. Mexico was a good lesson.

These next two games are the "Friendly" games for the USNT other than one on March 5, 2014. It's not a time for full-scale experimentation. The January camp (assuming there is one) and non-FIFA "authorized" friendlies the beginning of the year is time for experimentation. This is when your "Buddles" circa 2010 can be found.

I'm not saying Klinsmann won't bring someone like Eric Lichaj into camp, or someone like Mike Magee for that matter, but don't count on it.

Other than January and March the next date you see the USNT get together is May 27th and then it's just the final WCF's player pool.

I do have one wish for October, however-

Klinsmann shouldn't call in any players that are involved in MLS playoff races/positioning. Who gives a crap if Jamaica (still has a chance) and Panama are fighting for a WCF's spot. Does it matter which-and Mexico for that matter-ends up in Brazil? Having MLS players stay with their respective club gives them competitive matches.

I'd prefer the integrity of MLS stay intact than FIFA WCQ's.

He should limit players to European and Mexican based players. Either the leagues shut down for the FIFA dates or I don't care about the league. I want to see MLS based USNT members playing in a game that matters. MLS games in October matter and they will be a better competitive environment for the players.

As far as I'm concerned he should play a mixture of "A" and "B" team players in the October qualifiers. But which players make up the "B" team?

Below are my choices for the "A" and "B" teams. I've made a couple positional switches, based on my opinion, but otherwise this is based on which players have made up the WCQ rosters, Gold Cup player pool, and guys that have actually played for Klinsmann. Sure he might look at someone like Lichaj. But, if he wanted to see him I think he might have looked at him against Bosnia, much like he did with Tim Ream, Danny Williams (both of whom play at the same level as Lichaj) and Cody Cropper (a reserve team player, essentially not a first level player).

A-Team (23 Players and my current World Cup Finals roster)
GK: Howard, Guzan, Rimando
DF: Evans, Gonzalez, Besler, F. Johnson, Orozco, Cameron, Goodson, Beasley
MF: Bedoya, Bradley, Jones, Donovan, Zusi, Beckerman, Diskerud, Davis
FW: Altidore, Dempsey, E. Johnson, Johannsson

B-Team Player Pool (includes injured players)
GK: S. Johnson, Hamid, Hall
DF: Parkhurst, Onyewu, Brooks, Castillo, Beltran, Spector, Bocanegra, Chandler, Cherundolo
MF: Corona, Edu, Williams, Torres, Kljestan, Shea, Feilhaber, Gatt, Holden
FW: Gomez, Boyd, Gordon, Wondolowski, Bruin, Wood, McInerney

Here would be my roster:

Starters: Guzan; Orozco, Cameron, Brooks, Beasley; Bedoya, Bradley, Jones, F. Johnson; Altidore, Johannson

Substitutes: Howard, Cropper; Parkhurst, Onyewu, Spector, Castillo; Corona, Williams, Diskerud, Shea; Gomez, Boyd

chillguy1992
Post #43
Thursday September 12, 2013 6:27am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 275
While I do respect the integrity of the mls playoffs I do think klinsi calls in more backups to the starters and tries out a variety of new players and players he wants to see what they can do. Honestly there should be zero starters from klinsi best starting 11 so no dempsey donovan howard FJ. I would even go as far to say important backups shouldnt be called up either this should be a chance for players to show what they can do. So do expect JAB Iceman diskerud guzan and bedoya unless klinsi already sees him as starting 11 or prime backup material. This should be a roster for younger players and other players to show why they should be in the 23. These games are not important we have already qualified and if klinsi has to call up a couple of players from playoff games let him. Galaxy pretty much shipped off their key players to USMNT for a bunch of games. Lets see what everybody can do.
My 23
GK: Guzan, Rimando, Sean Johnson
DEF: Chandler(He really needs to get WCQ experience),Lichaj, Castillo, Ashe,Brooks, Goodson, John, Okugo,
Mid: Klijestan, Diskerud, Torres, Edu if he can get playing time at stoke if not Danny Williams, Corona, Bedoya, Davis, Feilhaber,
FW: AJ, Boyd, Wood, Magee

Jzaval01
Post #44
Thursday September 12, 2013 7:46am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 837
Now I wanna bring an though for people to put their idea on the October Qualifiers. We qualified and we should beat Jamaica home, fine 19 points nice!. We also might have in our hands the fate of the Mexican National Team. Now this is the interesting part, if Mexico wins (home) and loses in Costa Rica (away) which would give Panama a loss in the 9th match (away in MEX) which again Mexico assuming they win. The USMNT would have the fate of Mexico in their hand. Now here is the question, would fans want the team to lose so Mexico doesnt go to a world cup or what i think we should do no matter what is go win it at all cost.
Obviously Mexico not going to a world cup would be a nice feeling because they are Mexico. But!!! it doesnt do Concacaf any well and if lets say Panama goes, they prob wont do much and Concacaf can end up losing a spot for Qualification.
I hate Mexico just as the next Passionate USA fan but we want our Confederation to be respected and that wont happen if Mexico doesnt go so personally we should help them go to World Cup even though it would be great for bragging rights and all... not great for Concacaf

MSantoine
Post #45
Thursday September 12, 2013 2:42pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,608
I think if healthy this Shea will be in this camp. We'll get to see if he's picking anything up from his EPL time.

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