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Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #136
Tuesday October 1, 2013 3:15am

Joined Sep 2012
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I'd leave Beasley and Fabian where they normally are, move Donovan to the right, replace jones with Cameron and put lichaj at left back. I like your formation but I'd like to see how we play without jones and I'd also like to see lichaj at RB. But then again I'd rather see Cameron at right back. Our CM situation sucks without Bradley. Perhaps beckerman and kjlestan could play together.

EKneezy
Post #137
Tuesday October 1, 2013 5:03am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,912
Could these be the set of games where Kljestan finally gets his shot? Who would pair next to him? Will the pornstache finally get the spotlight it so desperately deserves?

What is the CB pairing? Likely no Brooks so Besler/Gonzo, Besler/Goodson, Besler/Cameron, etc?

Do Timmy Chandler and Eric Lichaj come back into the fold? Where will Klinsy put Cameron? RB, CB or DM?

Wing options....if Lichaj comes back in does Beasley move back into the wings or stay at LB? Fabian, Ale Bedoya, Lando, even Castillo as a backup wing guy if Lichaj and Chandler are at the back.

Does Aron Icebacon get sone quality starter minutes due to his sparkling club form?

Does Duece even get a callup?( Very likely he does just wondering)

Will there be any shock callups?

chillguy1992
Post #138
Tuesday October 1, 2013 5:44am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 463
I think klijestan has a chance however he has to go full beast mode in practice in my opinion for him 2 get on the field. However in my opinion this is his best opportunity before the world cup. For example jermaine jones is in bad form klinsmann has shown he is willing to make suprising decisions could jermaine not being called up be one of them or benching jones. With mixx I think klinsmann prefers him off the bench to inject immediate energy and creativity on the field. It would be a kliestan beckerman pairing I think we should give it a shot for the jamaica game.

At CB this is perhaps the most cloudy with besler not starting for three games due to bad form. Goodson injured and brooks most likely not getting called. I think a george john or amobi okugo call up could be in order with more and more of our center backs going down. I think orozco will be used at centerback never right back ever again. Gonzo,orozco, john and okugo unless goodson is healthy if so he will be called up at the expense of john or okugo. I think at right back lichaj and chandler get called up with evans and ej staying in seattle. We all know playoffs are drawing closer and I think with all the injuries pilingup i think klinsmann starts to realize that it might now be the time to call up a lot of second string player.

At left back with fj injured beasley is called up with lichaj or chandler rotating as left back cover if beasley gets injured. Castillo probably gets called up to be back up left back. This is just my guess as to what happens. I really hope klinsmann views these games as opportunities to have young players/second stringers impress. I think johansson gets some good minutes especially in the jamaica game. I dont think deuce gets called up due to want of staying healthy. John or okugo is my shock call up with lichaj being another one for klinsmann at least. In midfield I could see one but not sure who would count as a suprise or not.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #139
Tuesday October 1, 2013 8:08am

Joined Sep 2012
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Original post from Fraser31

I'd leave Beasley and Fabian where they normally are, move Donovan to the right, replace jones with Cameron and put lichaj at left back. I like your formation but I'd like to see how we play without jones and I'd also like to see lichaj at RB. But then again I'd rather see Cameron at right back. Our CM situation sucks without Bradley. Perhaps beckerman and kjlestan could play together.


*lichaj at right back

dolcem
Post #140
Tuesday October 1, 2013 9:58pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from navi8132

Torres has no place on the USMNT. Our situation will never present an opportunity for him to play his natural position in his natural style of play. It won't happen.


False. He is naturally a deep-lying playmaker. Ideally you utilize a deep-lying playmaker in a 4-5-1, especially paired with a #6. He'd be a great fit for us in our 4-5-1 playing alongside Bradley (although Bradley would have to stay back a bit more). He has only played 45 minutes at CM for us under Klinsmann, that's why it might seem like he doesn't fit our system (he certainly isn't an attacking midfielder). If given the chance he will.
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navi8132
Post #141
Wednesday October 2, 2013 2:45am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,019
Exactly, Bradley holding back is a shot in the foot in one of the most important aspects of our 2013 success.

Also, when did Fabian Johnson sprain his ankle?

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #142
Wednesday October 2, 2013 3:00am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,135
Torres is a good player, but just doesn't fit the USMNT well. Sorry I would rather have Bradley as the deep lying playmaker. He is better.

dolcem
Post #143
Wednesday October 2, 2013 6:52am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from navi8132

Exactly, Bradley holding back is a shot in the foot in one of the most important aspects of our 2013 success.

Also, when did Fabian Johnson sprain his ankle?


You mean the 2013 Gold Cup and our win over Mexico? Bradley didn't even play. Also, it's not like Torres is a #8 who likes to go forward (like Jones, Kljestan, and Diskerud). Bradley wouldn't have to hold back that much, just a little more than he does now. Lastly, people are forgetting how versatile Bradley is
He is just as good defensively as he is offensively. He has helped out the team a lot recently with his ability to go forward but if he were asked to hang back more he would help out the team with his defensive abilities. I'm confident he would do just as well in a more defensive role, and I'm not suggesting he hang way back as a #6 (although he could if he wanted to; he has years of experience there). The only sensible options are to pair Bradley with a deep-lying playmaker (Torres) or to play him with a #6. Cameron is needed in defense and Beckerman isn't good enough. Otherwise you'd have to pair Jones, Kljestan, or Diskerud with Bradley playing as a #6, which you said you didn't want.

Original post from 2tone

Torres is a good player, but just doesn't fit the USMNT well. Sorry I would rather have Bradley as the deep lying playmaker. He is better.


Of course Bradley is a better player. He is our best field player. But Torres is a better deep-lying playmaker. He is more skilled on the ball and a better passer. And both can play at the same time, Bradley would have to hang back just a tad bit more (something he can do). It's either that playing a #6 alongside Bradley, and we need Cameron in the defense (and Beckerman isn't good enough). If we pair Bradley with Jones, Kljestan, or Diskerud (all #8's), Bradley would have to play as a #6 and sit back a lot more than he does now, which is what people here seem to be averse to.
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rainORshine
Post #144
Wednesday October 2, 2013 12:36pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,783
Original post from dolcem

You mean the 2013 Gold Cup and our win over Mexico? Bradley didn't even play. Also, it's not like Torres is a #8 who likes to go forward (like Jones, Kljestan, and Diskerud). Bradley wouldn't have to hold back that much, just a little more than he does now. Lastly, people are forgetting how versatile Bradley is
He is just as good defensively as he is offensively. He has helped out the team a lot recently with his ability to go forward but if he were asked to hang back more he would help out the team with his defensive abilities. I'm confident he would do just as well in a more defensive role, and I'm not suggesting he hang way back as a #6 (although he could if he wanted to; he has years of experience there). The only sensible options are to pair Bradley with a deep-lying playmaker (Torres) or to play him with a #6. Cameron is needed in defense and Beckerman isn't good enough. Otherwise you'd have to pair Jones, Kljestan, or Diskerud with Bradley playing as a #6, which you said you didn't want.

Of course Bradley is a better player. He is our best field player. But Torres is a better deep-lying playmaker. He is more skilled on the ball and a better passer. And both can play at the same time, Bradley would have to hang back just a tad bit more (something he can do). It's either that playing a #6 alongside Bradley, and we need Cameron in the defense (and Beckerman isn't good enough). If we pair Bradley with Jones, Kljestan, or Diskerud (all #8's), Bradley would have to play as a #6 and sit back a lot more than he does now, which is what people here seem to be averse to.


relistically, i dont think JK is ever going to pair torres or diskerud with bradley in a 2 man midfield. not enough steel. i dont know if we can say that for sure about kljestan. kljestan is stronger/bigger than torres and diskerud and JK MAY consider him an option.

at the moment, I think JK sees the options to pair bradley as:
1) jones
2) beckerman
3) cameron
4) kljestan

i can see williams putting himself back on this list by november

i agree with JK. at international level, i dont see torres or diskerud as strong enough defenders to play in 2 man middle. 3, sure. 2, no. (diskerud has the frame to add muscle, but i dont see it happening this cycle)

name one high level team (club or country) that plays 2 CMs with one as slight as torres (listed at 135 lbs). its like xavi playing in a 2 man middle. you dont see it happen

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #145
Wednesday October 2, 2013 3:32pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,135
Original post from dolcem

You mean the 2013 Gold Cup and our win over Mexico? Bradley didn't even play. Also, it's not like Torres is a #8 who likes to go forward (like Jones, Kljestan, and Diskerud). Bradley wouldn't have to hold back that much, just a little more than he does now. Lastly, people are forgetting how versatile Bradley is
He is just as good defensively as he is offensively. He has helped out the team a lot recently with his ability to go forward but if he were asked to hang back more he would help out the team with his defensive abilities. I'm confident he would do just as well in a more defensive role, and I'm not suggesting he hang way back as a #6 (although he could if he wanted to; he has years of experience there). The only sensible options are to pair Bradley with a deep-lying playmaker (Torres) or to play him with a #6. Cameron is needed in defense and Beckerman isn't good enough. Otherwise you'd have to pair Jones, Kljestan, or Diskerud with Bradley playing as a #6, which you said you didn't want.

Of course Bradley is a better player. He is our best field player. But Torres is a better deep-lying playmaker. He is more skilled on the ball and a better passer. And both can play at the same time, Bradley would have to hang back just a tad bit more (something he can do). It's either that playing a #6 alongside Bradley, and we need Cameron in the defense (and Beckerman isn't good enough). If we pair Bradley with Jones, Kljestan, or Diskerud (all #8's), Bradley would have to play as a #6 and sit back a lot more than he does now, which is what people here seem to be averse to.


Torres does not have the defensive chops to play as a #6 deep lying playmaker. I have the 2010 WC game against Slovenia seared in my brain. Torres started that game, and I remember the center of the park being overrun and constantly cut through with Torres and Bradley as the CM's. When Edu entered the second half the midfield settled. Torres does not have the athletic ability to cover as much ground as let's say a Jones or Williams or even Bradley as a #6. He also doesn't have the defensive savvy as a Beckermman.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #146
Wednesday October 2, 2013 3:38pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,135
Cotober qualies 23 man redux:

Well, it looks like Klinsmann is set on bringing Dempsey, and he stated that Jones will be ther as well. He has also been in close communication with Williams, so without further Adu her is an updated squad:

GK: Rimando, Guzan, Howard
Defense: Lichaj, Cameron, CHandler, Beasley, Gonzo, Goodson, Orozco, Castillo
CM's: Jones, Williams, Diskerud, Kljestan, Beckerman
Attackers: Lando, Deuce, Altidore, AJ, EJ, Bedoya, Zusi

I left out Besler because he isn't getting starts, but with Klinsmann you never know.

navi8132
Post #147
Wednesday October 2, 2013 3:53pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,019
Oh boy does Williams not deserve to be here. And if he gets more PT than Klesjstan, I will be angry (and I'm not much of a Kljestan fan)

rainORshine
Post #148
Wednesday October 2, 2013 4:38pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,783
Original post from EKneezy

Could these be the set of games where Kljestan finally gets his shot? Who would pair next to him? Will the pornstache finally get the spotlight it so desperately deserves?

What is the CB pairing? Likely no Brooks so Besler/Gonzo, Besler/Goodson, Besler/Cameron, etc?

Do Timmy Chandler and Eric Lichaj come back into the fold? Where will Klinsy put Cameron? RB, CB or DM?

Wing options....if Lichaj comes back in does Beasley move back into the wings or stay at LB? Fabian, Ale Bedoya, Lando, even Castillo as a backup wing guy if Lichaj and Chandler are at the back.

Does Aron Icebacon get sone quality starter minutes due to his sparkling club form?

Does Duece even get a callup?( Very likely he does just wondering)

Will there be any shock callups?


shaved!

rainORshine
Post #149
Wednesday October 2, 2013 4:52pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,783
Original post from navi8132

Oh boy does Williams not deserve to be here. And if he gets more PT than Klesjstan, I will be angry (and I'm not much of a Kljestan fan)


williams has missed last 3 reading games with an injury. would not make much sense to see him in this camp

EKneezy
Post #150
Wednesday October 2, 2013 5:31pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,912
Damn didnt know he shaved it. Havent seen him since the Bosnia friendly.

But Williams as a straight forward #6 isnt all that bad. If he knows that his role is to be a more athletic Beckerman, we're good.

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