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navi8132
Post #61
Wednesday September 11, 2013 6:53pm

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Wait, bad hold up play? When has his hold up play been bad?

Loche Achles
Post #62
Wednesday September 11, 2013 9:30pm

Joined Feb 2013
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Yes contrary to popular opinions (I'm looking at the commentators last night) EJ is not very good at holding up the ball. Last night I will admit he performed excellently (minus his one consolatory head down, cross-over, push the ball, fail cross) and that included holding up the ball.

However he generally is not good in hold up play... Not because he can't hold it up but because his technical skills are poor. He is not good at getting his teammates through offensively and creates turnovers and is pushed off the ball when trying to dribble out of a hold up position.

Now like I said... Great last night, I eat my crow soup.

AJ for Dempsey would've been nice though. Demps sleeping a bit these days.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #63
Wednesday September 11, 2013 10:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Missed pen in stoppage time doesn't bode well for Deuce...if anyone can step it up in the next few months, his spot as a starter may be in danger.

Hunt Daddy
VA
Post #64
Wednesday September 11, 2013 10:21pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 48
Original post from 2tone

I like what EJ brings. He makes an opposing defense honest because they know EJ has the speed to get in behind. Right now he is probably the USMNT's best aerial threat. He will work hard, and doesn't shy away from physical battles.



You're absolutely right. Most games EJ plays he's one of the fastest guys on the pitch. My main complaint with him is that he doesn't use his speed enough. He's a limited player, we all know that. Why doesn't he play to his strengths?

If you're going to be slow of thought in possession, you should at least be PHYSICALLY fast right? When he gets the ball in possession I want to see him run at people. I don't care if it's big touch and go stuff. Don't overthink it, Eddie. Just beat your man and cross the ball.

He was also a nonfactor on counterattacks last night which is preposterous. He's not proactive in his play. He's completely reactive and that shouldn't be good enough for a major role with USMNT moving forward.

Jzaval01
Post #65
Wednesday September 11, 2013 10:22pm

Joined May 2013
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I have to admit Iceman must have alot more raw talent but EJ has done nothing to hurt his case and did well last night against Mex. Gotta love his jumping ability for heading a ball for corners

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #66
Wednesday September 11, 2013 10:41pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Jzaval01

I have to admit Iceman must have alot more raw talent but EJ has done nothing to hurt his case and did well last night against Mex. Gotta love his jumping ability for heading a ball for corners


They're just different players, that's why I take issue with the premise of this thread. EJ is fast, and has great aerial ability, AJ has strength in hold-up play and vision, both with passing and the ability to slip in behind a defensive line.

That'd be like comparing Landon and Clint...no one would be that foolhardy, would they?

Jzaval01
Post #67
Thursday September 12, 2013 1:56am

Joined May 2013
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Nope but you wanna pick the players that are on form and when Donovan wasnt he wasnt brought to camp. Aron Johansson has alot to prove still while EJ is still proving his absolute worth for NT

tardis91
Post #68
Thursday September 12, 2013 2:20pm

Joined Jun 2013
Total Posts: 84
Original post from navi8132

Wait, bad hold up play? When has his hold up play been bad?


Its not that the winning of the ball is bad if a ball is played up to him, its what he does with the ball after he gets it that is poor. He makes soft passes into players who have to run onto it and usually highly contested. Watch Jozy whose hold up play has gotten to a whole other level and watch how different the pass is once he gains possession. Eddie has a hard time knowing where to go with the ball and then once he does pass it off he doesnt always make the right run.

Im not saying that AJ is better than EJ, Im saying in JKs system AJ offers more qualities that JK has said he wants in a CF. Not discounting anything EJ has done with the USMNT, but he is a limited player.

Speed but very little crossing ability so you cant use him out wide, he slows down attacks so you cant really play into his feet, he is fast and has aerial ability. Thats ok nothing wrong with having him on the team, but because his only real option is speed I dont see him as a 90 minute player, more like a 35 minute player. Either way he will go to Brazil, IMO he is just not a starter and thats ok.

For Dempsey I dont know if JK even calls him in next time so he doesnt have to sit his captain. You can always say its to let him get his feet under him, and all that. Let Donovan play under whoever and see what happens.

navi8132
Post #69
Thursday September 12, 2013 4:21pm

Joined Jul 2012
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No one suggested that Iceman and EJ were similar players. They are not. Suggesting who was better than who was about for the circumstance where Jurgen's lineup would only allow one of the players to be on the field. Both Aron and EJ can play striker OR winger. Sometimes a scenario will arise where it will be a choice between EJ or Aron. As well as potentially either Zusi or Aron, or Bedoya or Aron. It is about suggesting who would help the USMNT attack the most (in their own individual way).

dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #70
Thursday September 12, 2013 5:04pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 208
I have a feeling once Jozy is back Iceman will be slotted into Bedoya's position with a front 4 of
-------Jozy------
LD----Duece----Iceman

all 3 interchanging. I love Fab in the midfield, but he's more needed at LB

navi8132
Post #71
Thursday September 12, 2013 5:08pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,590
Who said Deuce deserves a starting spot anymore......until he regains his form, he should be on the bench.

MSantoine
Post #72
Thursday September 12, 2013 5:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
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The problem with EJ is one that can not change until Brazil. Its easy to argue because neither side can be proven wrong. No one is arguing that EJ isnt capable of scoring goals against CONCACAF foes. The arguement against him is his ability to do so against world powers in a world cup setting. Unfortunately we dont have the luxury to see how he can do until that point. If he's brought to Brazill and fails, the Anti-EJ people are right, but US is in trouble. If hes brought in and is a backup who doesnt play much, then we'll never know. The last time he's played against big time competition he's failed but whos to say he hasnt learned and gotten better.

Personally Id prefer AJ as he has performed against similar competition and is much younger. Also since he hasnt failed against top competition yet he has the unknown about him and he seems to have the special goal scoring quality that we havent truly had since McBride.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #73
Thursday September 12, 2013 5:22pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 757
SPEED IS NOT A SOCCER QUALITY.

The only two good things you ever hear about EJ are his speed and his aerial ability.

First off, he isnt really that fast with the ball at his feet. Two, he is not a good crosser, nor is he a good passer in general. He is also not good at creating his own chances.

AJ is hands down the better player and should start over EJ. Personally, I dont mind guys that can score with their feet, create their own chances, and creat chances for others. He can do all three well. He is also just as fast as EJ with the ball at his feet.

This shouldnt even be a discussion.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #74
Thursday September 12, 2013 5:42pm

Joined Jul 2012
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This really isn't a discussion until Aron plays more than 20 minutes for the USMNT.

navi8132
Post #75
Thursday September 12, 2013 5:53pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,590
A soccer player is judged by how good they are based upon club play. National Team should be the last thing that matters in terms of experience and quality of a player. As far as "does he fit in with our team and our style", I think 20 minutes to answer that question is a little under what I'd like, but I will grant him a waiver (90 minutes for me would have answered that question).

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