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Post #1
Thursday September 5, 2013 4:21am

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Just read this article on bleacher report:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1760972-im...
Yea I'm crazy to believe that the US can do it; what is the point of being a fanatic if you don't believe your own country can win. History is filled with miraculous upsets.
With a miraculous series of events, it's possible. Interested to hear what others think on this topic and, in all seriousness, what is needed for the US to make the step up to the elite category of soccer teams?

tylercocinas
Post #2
Thursday September 5, 2013 4:30am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 786
All roads lead to Rome. Rome in our case is youth development. Until we fix the holes in our youth development programs the probability of this wont be what it could. And the reality of the situation is that it won't be fixed overnight. I think this is why most well informed followers of the NT see 2018-2026 as our true time to make a meaningful soccer breakthrough on the biggest stage.

dunlopp9987
Post #3
Thursday September 5, 2013 4:50am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,317
2022 will be the first year where we will be considered a team that could win it all.
COYB!!
admsghs27
Post #4
Thursday September 5, 2013 5:08am

Joined Nov 2012
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If usa wins the world cup in brazil ima get a big ussoccer tattoo lol... If they make it to the final ill find a way to be there.. Ill sell my car, get loans, anything to be there..

kernn63
Post #5
Thursday September 5, 2013 5:23am

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 84
An underdog to the level of what the US will enter the World Cup has obviously never done it. It would be a bigger upset than Miracle on Ice easily and I'm not sure a bigger underdog has ever gone though that kind of gauntlet in any sport. The upset usually involves a good team beating a great team over the course of a game or short series.

That said, in 2002, the US probably deserved to be in the semi's....and if you get that far....if lightening can strike twice, I suppose anything can happen in a four team tournament.

But back to reality.....What is needed? We need about 1 or two truly elite field players who would play on the best teams in the world. We're not that far off....Michael Bradley, Jozy, Clint, Landon, they're just a tier below those guys. You never know when that will happen. He probably will never suit up for the US, but maybe a US soccer setup already has produced that type of player in Gedion Zelalem....it would be really disappointing to me, if we're not in that conversation of winning a World Cup by 2022. There's a 14 year old out there or 2 that may just put us over the top.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #6
Thursday September 5, 2013 5:37am

Joined Jul 2012
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There are quite a few analysts projecting the US to be a contender in 2018.

But this current team has all of the hall marks to make a deep run in 2014 like the 2002 team i.e. Talented wily veterans, new upcoming talent, great goal keeping, and a very good midfield. I would not be surprised if the USMNT makes a quarterfinal or deeper run in Brasil.

MSantoine
Post #7
Thursday September 5, 2013 12:21pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,231
If I was picking a year it would be 2026 (we should be hosts) and hosting is a huge advantage. That being said if we win these next two games Im sure you'll start reading articles from all the outlets of how USA has "quietly transformed into a contender"

skangles
DC
Post #8
Thursday September 5, 2013 1:21pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 2,082
It could happen and would be a slightly less shocking than Greece winning the 2004 Euro but a lot of things need to fall into place.

In 2010 had we beaten Ghana who knows where we would have gotten to but that was one tournament where everything fell into place for us. It is tough to imagine that happening in two consecutive World Cups.

kernn63
Post #9
Thursday September 5, 2013 1:33pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 84
Original post from skangles

It could happen and would be a slightly less shocking than Greece winning the 2004 Euro but a lot of things need to fall into place.


Good call. Forgot about that one.

Sounds like most of us subscribe to the "Soccernomics" view of the world that because of population, weath, youth participation in the sport, it's only a matter of time. One thing that could increase that timeline is a secular decline of football in terms of youth participation (due to safety concerns from parents.)

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #10
Thursday September 5, 2013 2:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,171
Original post from dunlopp9987

2022 will be the first year where we will be considered a team that could win it all.


Completely agree, we'll have a good showing this time, a strong showing next time, and we'll be contenders in 2022.

rainORshine
Post #11
Thursday September 5, 2013 3:33pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,786
i think there is a progression, and usually you have to take one step at a time

- qualify for WC (1990)
- round of 16 (1994)
- QF (2002)
- back-to-back Ro16 (or further) (??? - possibly 2014)
- SF (???)
- back-to-back QF or further (??? - 2018 at earliest)

after getting to that point, it comes down to waiting for that "golden generation" and/or that 1 zidane-type difference maker to carry you through a semi and a final to actually win

realistically i have a hard time seeing it all happen before 2026, at the earliest - although i agree that it is possible that US could get the point of being considered legit contender by 2022

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #12
Thursday September 5, 2013 3:56pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,961
I think 2018 we can make some serious noise. But 2022 is the time to shine.

2014 will be interesting to watch though. Love this squad.

tylercocinas
Post #13
Thursday September 5, 2013 4:39pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 786
Original post from skangles
It is tough to imagine that happening in two consecutive World Cups.


Agreed, I feel like we'll have a tough road in Rio. If any US squad can do it though...

MSantoine
Post #14
Thursday September 5, 2013 5:31pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,231
Original post from rainORshine

i think there is a progression, and usually you have to take one step at a time

- qualify for WC (1990)
- round of 16 (1994)
- QF (2002)
- back-to-back Ro16 (or further) (??? - possibly 2014)
- SF (???)
- back-to-back QF or further (??? - 2018 at earliest)

after getting to that point, it comes down to waiting for that "golden generation" and/or that 1 zidane-type difference maker to carry you through a semi and a final to actually win

realistically i have a hard time seeing it all happen before 2026, at the earliest - although i agree that it is possible that US could get the point of being considered legit contender by 2022


I agrree with this. Look at Netherlands. It took them a while to "get over the hump" and make the championship game. Spain too was consistently bowing out in the QFs. England is stuck in that Ro16/QF range too and cant seem to get over that last hurdle to regular semi finalist (ie Brazil, Germany, Italy, now Spain, was France)

rainORshine
Post #15
Thursday September 5, 2013 6:03pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,786
Original post from MSantoine

I agrree with this. Look at Netherlands. It took them a while to "get over the hump" and make the championship game. Spain too was consistently bowing out in the QFs. England is stuck in that Ro16/QF range too and cant seem to get over that last hurdle to regular semi finalist (ie Brazil, Germany, Italy, now Spain, was France)


yea. have to keep in mind how elite the company is at the very top... since 1970 (last 11 WCs) only 7 countries have played in a WC final:
- germany - 5 (2 WC champ)
- brazil - 4 (3)
- italy - 4 (2)
- argentina - 3 (2)
- holland - 3 (0)
- france - 2 (1)
- spain - 1 (1)

before winning france made 3 semifinal appearances.
spain had only made 1 previous app in a SF (1950), but did not come out of nowhere - they had played in 3 european champ finals since 1964 (2 since 1984) and had 2 euro crowns under their belt - 64 and 08 - before winning a WC

very elite company. US has a lot of progress to make. round of 16 or better in 2014 would be a big step - first time reaching KO stage in consecutive WCs

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