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dolcem
Post #286
Friday January 10, 2014 12:48am

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Original post from MSantoine

Do you know Ligue 1 is more than just PSG and Monaco? They may send more players to leagues because they show promise to improve but if your a 25-27 year old you mine as well play in Kazakhstan. Some of those teams are down right frightful. In MLS there is an international caliber player on almost every roster. In France? Not so much. If the French league was so good the best French players wouldnt all be bolting for EPL. Best Germans still play in Germany(21 of23 for their last match). English players play in England (22 of 23). Spainards in Spain (16 of 23), Italy (24 of 29, friendly) Turkey(26 of 29, friendly) France, only 6 of 23. They know there domestic league is garbage outside of two teams.


Ligue 1 is on par with Kazakhstan and MLS? Are you trolling?

Ligue 1 is much better than the Dutch and Portuguese. France has a big enough population that it can support a deep league, also because, more importantly, Ligue 1 is the most popular destination for African players. In Ligue 1 you get new teams competing for the Champions League every season because there is depth.

Ligue 1 ROUTINELY sends players to the Premier League for huge transfer fees. Not prodigies that might be good some day, players that immediately make a big impact. Some of these guys weren't even that good in Ligue 1. Cisse and Ba were not super stars there and absolutely tore up the Premier League.

The record transfer of an MLS player abroad was around 10 million US dollars. For that much money you would have a hard time finding a Ligue 1 starter. A good Ligue 1 player these days is worth 30-40 million pounds.

If you look at a list of players that played in Ligue 1 and made an immediate impact after leaving, it's pretty astonishing. It includes people like Zidane, Ronaldinho, and Drogba. When was the last time we had one of those in the MLS?

The MLS is clearly not as good as the Liga MX, which is clearly a step down from the Argentine league, which is a step down from the Brazilian league. And the Brazilian league is definitely not as good as Ligue 1.

I'm not a self-loathing US fan, I think the MLS is probably a top 15 league, but Jesus H. Christ it is not Ligue 1 and if you think it is, you're wearing homer glasses. The MLS is sprinkled with some very good players but the overall level of play is nowhere near Ligue 1's. I mean we have teams playing on turf for Christ's sake.

The gap between La Liga and Ligue 1 is not NEARLY as big as the gap between the Premier League or Bundesliga (where Michael could have gone on loan). Not to mention Michael will be taking two months off. Radamel Falcao STILL got labeled as a sell-out. If he's a sell-out, than what does that make Michael Bradley?
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dolcem
Post #287
Friday January 10, 2014 12:55am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from cudevil

You are awfully cavalier with someone else's money...


You know what Michael easily could have done? Something any owner would consider, considering how big of a coup this is for the league (second biggest signing ever)? He could have had the transfer take place July 1st. Still would've been guaranteed the money, and he could have gone on loan in the mean time to properly prepare for the World Cup and do what the coach is asking.

That money was waiting for Michael and he decided he couldn't wait six months for it, that he was willing to hinder his World Cup preparation so he could have it now rather than in the summer. Is he going to lose all of his talent by the World Cup? Does this make him a bad person? Of course not. But it's not something the Michael we thought we knew would do.

I can't help but think the apologists are simply sugarcoating this either because it's Michael Bradley or because they're somehow getting offended made by the comments about the MLS. You don't have to be an eurosnob to not like this move...the MLS is nowhere near on par with the EPL or Bundesliga and he's taking a two month break for Christ's sake. I do wonder what people would have said if Altidore made this move. I bet he'd get crucified for being a weakling who couldn't hack it in Europe. And then a few people on the other side would say "no, the MLS is just as good as any European league" and get offended that people are annoyed about one of our players coming here.
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Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #288
Friday January 10, 2014 1:16am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 996
You all realllllyyyy need to relax.

DragonEagle
Sunshine So Cal
Post #289
Friday January 10, 2014 1:21am

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 18
[quote]Original post from dolcem

I can't help but think the apologists are simply sugarcoating this either because it's Michael Bradley or because they're somehow getting offended made by the comments about the MLS.

Neither. I'm defenfing a husband/father who need to make the decision for the future of his family
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dolcem
Post #290
Friday January 10, 2014 1:31am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from DragonEagle

I can't help but think the apologists are simply sugarcoating this either because it's Michael Bradley or because they're somehow getting offended made by the comments about the MLS.

Neither. I'm defenfing a husband/father who need to make the decision for the future of his family


So money is the only thing that should matter to an athlete?

Anyway, already answered that. He easily could have had the transfer go through July 1st (so that if a career-ending injury occurred he was still guaranteed the same exact contract) or he could have waited until next Winter and signed for even more. He had boatloads of money waiting for him in the MLS whenever he decided to come back and he decided to do it six months before the World Cup rather than waiting til after. And it involves taking a two month break and then playing in a league way below the leagues he could've been playing in.

Yeah I do need to chill out and I'm taking a break but you have to understand those of us that our pissed. MB90 was supposed to be the biggest hero on the USNT and now it's obvious that money is far and away his biggest concern. That doesn't make him much a lot of other athletes, I just thought he was better than most of the others and a model pro...a Totti or Giggs type (players who, by the way, turned down huge amounts of money to stay with their teams). I guess not.
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tjknowsall
Post #291
Friday January 10, 2014 3:43am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 287
but bradley never had a "team" who knows what will happen. All i know is he better get his ass to cupcake camp, and stay fit. I dont think that playing in the mls will change his game much for 2014.... he will be fresh and ready to go for the WC. Us Americans will be the outliers going into the WC, because unlike most teams are most of our players havent just finished a gruelling european season... this means are players are fresh. Look at first i was pissed, but now Im a litter excited making sure a go to that revs vs toronto game. There is no reason he cant continue to play at a high level, and maybe he will end up going back to europe, maybe not, but think how weird it will be if bradley explodes and has a monster world cup orchestrating wins vs germany or Portugal and maybe a mircale quarterfinal run.... wonder if he would consider going back to europe... he never seems to sit much

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #292
Friday January 10, 2014 5:29am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 425
Bradley news made it on USA Today, That is big from a news standpoint at least.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/michael-bradl...

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #293
Friday January 10, 2014 8:40am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 294
I don't think there will be a significant drop in his game with the nats moving to MLS. What is the fear, that he'll look like he's playing on ludes in the first game...that his international level form will fall right off the table...is he going to lose 20% of his ability to get things done? Will he forget how to play at a higher international tempo? There will be a period of adjustment for him the first few days of Nats camp and another tooth and nail WC intensity adjustment for the entire team in the initial stages of the first game. He's not damaged goods, he'll be ready roll.

dolcem
Post #294
Friday January 10, 2014 8:50am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

I don't think there will be a significant drop in his game with the nats moving to MLS. What is the fear, that he'll look like he's playing on ludes in the first game...that his international level form will fall right off the table...is he going to lose 20% of his ability to get things done? Will he forget how to play at a higher international tempo? There will be a period of adjustment for him the first few days of Nats camp and another tooth and nail WC intensity adjustment for the entire team in the initial stages of the first game. He's not damaged goods, he'll be ready roll.


I agree that the effect probably will not be that major (but what if he has trouble settling in like Deuce? It's such a different style of play than he's used to). But he is taking two months off and then integrating into a new team. This is much worse preparation than playing at a Premier League, Bundesliga, or Serie A club from here on out (he hasn't played much in the first part of the season so rest won't be an issue). This is Michael Bradley, he'll still play well for us in the World Cup. The thing is though we need everything we can get if we want a chance at advancing, and for one of our leaders to do this right before the World Cup, it was disappointing. He put short-term financial gain (and it was money that could have been made later) over the team and his own career. That's what a lot of athletes do these days. I've been too harsh on him (I was pissed off about it), it's not like he did something terrible, it's just that I thought he was one of the few pro's that isn't like that (like a Totti type). That's why he's so popular. He let us down I think. Sad day.

Oh, and the media coverage was very supportive of course. The main article on soccernet was titled "Three reasons why Bradley's move to Toronto FC makes sense." How about a little commentary on the many reasons it does not make sense?
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dfw_fan
DfW
Post #295
Friday January 10, 2014 4:09pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 425
Original post from dolcem

I agree that the effect probably will not be that major (but what if he has trouble settling in like Deuce? It's such a different style of play than he's used to). But he is taking two months off and then integrating into a new team. This is much worse preparation than playing at a Premier League, Bundesliga, or Serie A club from here on out (he hasn't played much in the first part of the season so rest won't be an issue). This is Michael Bradley, he'll still play well for us in the World Cup. The thing is though we need everything we can get if we want a chance at advancing, and for one of our leaders to do this right before the World Cup, it was disappointing. He put short-term financial gain (and it was money that could have been made later) over the team and his own career. That's what a lot of athletes do these days. I've been too harsh on him (I was pissed off about it), it's not like he did something terrible, it's just that I thought he was one of the few pro's that isn't like that (like a Totti type). That's why he's so popular. He let us down I think. Sad day.

Oh, and the media coverage was very supportive of course. The main article on soccernet was titled "Three reasons why Bradley's move to Toronto FC makes sense." How about a little commentary on the many reasons it does not make sense?


I for one agree with many and totally understand Bradly's move, the contract he has received, one never know how he might have an injury situation just like the ankle twist before Costa Rica Game.

navi8132
Post #296
Friday January 10, 2014 4:13pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,942
It's a risk he should have taken. Honestly, why would Captain America not play for NYCFC and really raise the profile of soccer in a key market for new talent (NY).

richieJkulesaNY
Post #297
Friday January 10, 2014 6:19pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 942
Original post from dolcem

I agree that the effect probably will not be that major (but what if he has trouble settling in like Deuce? It's such a different style of play than he's used to). But he is taking two months off and then integrating into a new team. This is much worse preparation than playing at a Premier League, Bundesliga, or Serie A club from here on out (he hasn't played much in the first part of the season so rest won't be an issue). This is Michael Bradley, he'll still play well for us in the World Cup. The thing is though we need everything we can get if we want a chance at advancing, and for one of our leaders to do this right before the World Cup, it was disappointing. He put short-term financial gain (and it was money that could have been made later) over the team and his own career. That's what a lot of athletes do these days. I've been too harsh on him (I was pissed off about it), it's not like he did something terrible, it's just that I thought he was one of the few pro's that isn't like that (like a Totti type). That's why he's so popular. He let us down I think. Sad day.

Oh, and the media coverage was very supportive of course. The main article on soccernet was titled "Three reasons why Bradley's move to Toronto FC makes sense." How about a little commentary on the many reasons it does not make sense?


Dude, expand your media horizon. If you only count on ESPN, you will lose your mind. Its probably the last media outlet ill go to.

Please read:

http://americansoccernow.com/articles/michael...

Basically the whole spectrum of reactions and concerns are covered here.

navi8132
Post #298
Friday January 10, 2014 7:04pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,942
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Dude, expand your media horizon. If you only count on ESPN, you will lose your mind. Its probably the last media outlet ill go to.

Please read:

http://americansoccernow.com/articles/michael...

Basically the whole spectrum of reactions and concerns are covered here.


Thanks Kim Tate for informing me that coming to MLS will improve Bradley's chance to get to Brazil. We were all sweating whether or not he would make the cut.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #299
Friday January 10, 2014 7:15pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,025
It's done it's happened. No use moaning about it anymore.

Time to move forward.

rjw77
Post #300
Friday January 10, 2014 7:21pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 265
Original post from navi8132

Thanks Kim Tate for informing me that coming to MLS will improve Bradley's chance to get to Brazil. We were all sweating whether or not he would make the cut.


Haha I saw that too. I'm pretty sure Bradley is going toBrazil.

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