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Post #271
Thursday January 9, 2014 8:33pm

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Original post from dolcem

This isn't about Europe.

We're talking about World Cup preparation here. A model pro values his country, his teammates, and his career above all else. He always wants to win and to do the best he possible can.

Michael Bradley is completely fucking up his World Cup preparation...You can't seriously argue that what he is doing is nearly as good WC preparation as going on loan in the Premier League, Bundesliga, or Serie A. He's also totally disobeying our coach, who just got a 4 year contract.

This isn't something a model pro would do. Someone who bleeds red, white, and blue wouldn't do this six months before the World Cup, they would wait until after.

I'm not trying to say that Bradley is a bad pro. He just isn't the guy we thought he was.


With all due respect Dolcem, that is BS. He is not disobeying his coach nor is he screwing up his WC prep.

JK wanted idle players to go on loan to at the very least be training before MLS starts back up. At least those players when they come back to MLS will get playing time. MB90 in his current situation was not likely to get significant match time for the rest of the season so a move makes sense.

Yes, another Euro league would have been preferable, but look back a few years at the one time he did go out on loan to Aston Villa and remember how well that turned out for him. At the end of the day do we know if there was a better offer from a team in a better league with a guarantee of match time on the table?

At least with this move he IS being a model pro and doing the one thing he needs to do for WC prep...GET MATCH FITNESS! In 6 months he is not going to improve that much to make that big a difference to our WC. He has been to a WC and knows what to expect.

joey11
Post #272
Thursday January 9, 2014 8:37pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 274
Everyone talking its good even if for money, he's 26 which means he'll still be one of US top players at 30 in 2018 so, unless injury kills his career the money will still be there. Here's the problem, is it for the money or because no one would take him (doubtful) or jut ready to return? I wish he was still in Europe but I thought hard for advantages to returning.

MLS players will be in miidseason form by WC while european players had been still nursing bodies after long season.

ummmmmm.......

maybe he'll be in January camp?

ummmmmm............

ummmmmmmmmmm......

ummmmmmmmmm.............

Help anyone??

On serious note, there are players who are in or were in MLS and still are outstanding. two most notable, Donovan and Eddie Pope. Mastroani as well. Oh and Cobi Jones. so we'll just wait to see if his ability drops off. I doubt it at least for 2014.

Know Nothing
Post #273
Thursday January 9, 2014 8:48pm

Joined Jan 2013
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It is probably the situation where he knew he would be first choice and would get the match fitness.

I am sure someone in one of the top Euro leagues would have given him a chance, but with the WC coming I suspect he wanted a situation where he knew he would play. After watching how dire Man United's midfield has been he may have been able to make that move and gotten significant minutes, but again no guarantee.

I have always been curious just how good Eddie Pope could have been if he had moved abroad.

cudevil
Post #274
Thursday January 9, 2014 8:52pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 643
Original post from dolcem

He could still get that same deal even coming off a severe injury (or more if he waited a season until NYCFC comes in). The only way he wouldn't is if it was a career-ending injury...what are the chances that would happen in the next six months (considering Bradley is not injury prone at all)?

Not saying I don't understand the decision, I just don't think anymore than Bradley is the leader and model pro everyone thinks he is. Anyone else would have waited.


No, there is no reasonable expectation that a team would pay $6 million per for a guy coming off a major knee surgery as an example.

"Anyone else would have waited"? Not so much. There are very, very, very few people that would turn down an offer on the table for 6x the salary in the hopes that they might have that offer 6 months from now. You are holding him to a completely unreasonable standard-namely to put the US MNT above himself, his family, etc. It's ridiculous.

cudevil
Post #275
Thursday January 9, 2014 9:01pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 643
Original post from dolcem

If I were a millionaire playing the US national team, fuck yeah I'd wait until the World Cup in six months.


Sure you would. It's not a slight pay raise. It's 6x the salary pre-tax, and given European tax rates, conceivably more than 6x his take home pay. Only in the world of sports would someone be asked to make that kind of sacrifice.

I think it sucks from a playing/development stand point, but your suggestion that he's not a "model pro" or whatever is nonsense.

dolcem
Post #276
Thursday January 9, 2014 9:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Know Nothing

With all due respect Dolcem, that is BS. He is not disobeying his coach nor is he screwing up his WC prep.

JK wanted idle players to go on loan to at the very least be training before MLS starts back up. At least those players when they come back to MLS will get playing time. MB90 in his current situation was not likely to get significant match time for the rest of the season so a move makes sense.

Yes, another Euro league would have been preferable, but look back a few years at the one time he did go out on loan to Aston Villa and remember how well that turned out for him. At the end of the day do we know if there was a better offer from a team in a better league with a guarantee of match time on the table?

At least with this move he IS being a model pro and doing the one thing he needs to do for WC prep...GET MATCH FITNESS! In 6 months he is not going to improve that much to make that big a difference to our WC. He has been to a WC and knows what to expect.


Disobeying might be a strong word but this is not what the coach wants. And you can't seriously argue he isn't fucking up his world cup preparation. There was interest from a lot of teams as far as loans and transfers go (and let's not forget that he could have waited, it's early in the transfer window) . He definitely could have been a starter in the Prem or Bundesliga if he waited for the right offer to come along (or do you think he's not good enough?).

He had the choice between playing in a top league and sitting out for two months and then playing in an inferior league. We ll know which is better World Cup preparation. And he chose the latter for a quick buck that could have been made six months later (or would have been even more had he waited for a year and, by the way, played in an American city). That is very disappointing.
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dolcem
Post #277
Thursday January 9, 2014 9:20pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from cudevil

No, there is no reasonable expectation that a team would pay $6 million per for a guy coming off a major knee surgery as an example.

"Anyone else would have waited"? Not so much. There are very, very, very few people that would turn down an offer on the table for 6x the salary in the hopes that they might have that offer 6 months from now. You are holding him to a completely unreasonable standard-namely to put the US MNT above himself, his family, etc. It's ridiculous.


Yeah there is. It's Michael Fucking Bradley. NYCFC would have payed him more even coming off a serious injury. Landing him was the biggest signing in league history aside from beckham and maybe Donovan. He is 26 years old and would still get that amount of money even after an injury. No one even thought this signing would have been possible, even with a injury.
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dolcem
Post #278
Thursday January 9, 2014 9:41pm

Joined Nov 2012
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In response to your other post, fucking up your preparation for the World Cup for a quick buck that could have been made in six months time (or more in a year) when that's the opposite of what the coach is asking is not exemplary behavior. I expect better from a leader like Bradley, someone who supposedly bleeds red, white, and blue. His behavior isn't too unusual for pro athlete these days but I doubt this is something Brian McBride would have done.

Also, the mid-season form argument doesn't wok because Bradley has not been playing much. Being too tired or burned out before the World Cup will not be an issue for him. You know what is an issue? Taking a two month break after you haven't been playing much.

And January camp? Are we comparing that to playing in a top league?
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MSantoine
Post #279
Thursday January 9, 2014 10:02pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from dolcem

Yeah it is. Look at the players that come out of there. And now that PSG and Monaco have arrived to the scene, the league is only getting better. People are comparing it Serie A now.

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Do you know Ligue 1 is more than just PSG and Monaco? They may send more players to leagues because they show promise to improve but if your a 25-27 year old you mine as well play in Kazakhstan. Some of those teams are down right frightful. In MLS there is an international caliber player on almost every roster. In France? Not so much. If the French league was so good the best French players wouldnt all be bolting for EPL. Best Germans still play in Germany(21 of23 for their last match). English players play in England (22 of 23). Spainards in Spain (16 of 23), Italy (24 of 29, friendly) Turkey(26 of 29, friendly) France, only 6 of 23. They know there domestic league is garbage outside of two teams.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #280
Thursday January 9, 2014 10:35pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 2,991
The MLS stigma is what hurts fans the most. But the fact is a better USMNT means a better MLS.

Self loathing is the one thing American soccer fans need to get over. We all do it.

cudevil
Post #281
Thursday January 9, 2014 10:38pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 643
Original post from dolcem

Yeah there is. It's Michael Fucking Bradley. NYCFC would have payed him more even coming off a serious injury. Landing him was the biggest signing in league history aside from beckham and maybe Donovan. He is 26 years old and would still get that amount of money even after an injury. No one even thought this signing would have been possible, even with a injury.


You are awfully cavalier with someone else's money...

skangles
DC
Post #282
Thursday January 9, 2014 11:07pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,379
Outside the Lines just had Lalas, Twellman and Carlisle on for about 5-10 minutes to discuss the move. Lalas and Twellman were spot on and critical of fan overreaction and that "Bradley somehow betrayed himself." They both brought up the money which led to a good discussion on the next CBA and closing the disparity between the mega deals and the meager salaries at the bottom of the scale.

Carlisle mentioned that he thinks the MLS is far more likely to look at low end salaries in the next CBA than they are to add more DP slots.

Lalas had a great point. He said if the US crashes out of the group everyone will blame the MLS but if they do well the MLS will not get the credit and that's their cross to bare. Bob then asked specifically if the US got to the round of 8 whether he still thought the MLS wouldn't get the credit and Lalas said definitely not.

Sadly I completely agree with Lalas. The league still has a negative stigma which is obvious just by reading this thread which contains people who are passionate enough about the sport that they talk to strangers about it in their free time.

I'll try to find a link of the segment as it is well worth a watch.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #283
Thursday January 9, 2014 11:15pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,295
I'm neither here not there about it. I personally wouldn't have made the move if I were him but he has to do what's best for him. It's his career. I don't think he's the type that needs to be around amazing players to excel, therefoer I think he'll do fine. I think everyone is jumping the gun a bit. I admit when I first heard it I was borderline outraged. But after giving it some thought I think there are a lot of positives here. Whether they effect our World Cup chances, well that remains to be seen. I think USMNT chemistry and performance is what effects our chances. Not as much an individuals particular club situation.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #284
Thursday January 9, 2014 11:59pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
This is the exact same story as the reaction to Dempsey moving back to MLS. "He's done, etc." MB is a bit younger and has more potential and I am fairly confident that he's looking to keep himself fit and in form in the run up to the WC. He'll be prime/just past prime for the 2018 WC so he won't be staying in MLS for too long. 2 years tops and then he'll make a move back to Europe where he can make more $$.

rainORshine
Post #285
Friday January 10, 2014 12:02am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from skangles

Outside the Lines just had Lalas, Twellman and Carlisle on for about 5-10 minutes to discuss the move. Lalas and Twellman were spot on and critical of fan overreaction and that "Bradley somehow betrayed himself." They both brought up the money which led to a good discussion on the next CBA and closing the disparity between the mega deals and the meager salaries at the bottom of the scale.

Carlisle mentioned that he thinks the MLS is far more likely to look at low end salaries in the next CBA than they are to add more DP slots.

Lalas had a great point. He said if the US crashes out of the group everyone will blame the MLS but if they do well the MLS will not get the credit and that's their cross to bare. Bob then asked specifically if the US got to the round of 8 whether he still thought the MLS wouldn't get the credit and Lalas said definitely not.

Sadly I completely agree with Lalas. The league still has a negative stigma which is obvious just by reading this thread which contains people who are passionate enough about the sport that they talk to strangers about it in their free time.

I'll try to find a link of the segment as it is well worth a watch.


sorry - i dont buy the lalas garbage for a minute. IF the US advances, MLS will correctly get due credit in US circles. why would it not?

our cross to bare? give me a fucking break.

likely we will not advance and the reason is that most of our players dont play at a level equal to most portugese players

if we advance MLS will get its due credit. MLS needs to earn its due. why would lalas or anyone else think otherwise? MLS still comes off distinctly 2nd best to liga mx in CCL. that is where MLS can earn some credit. with so many USMNT players returning/staying now WC is another venue

we'll see if MLS can EARN the respect it wants

lalas is a fucking idiot

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