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DragonEagle
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Post #256
Thursday January 9, 2014 7:01pm

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dolcem,

There is no guarantee that the money will be there later.

If someone gives you an offer that would pay 6X what you're currently get pay, what would you do?

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dolcem
Post #257
Thursday January 9, 2014 7:08pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from MSantoine

Seriously. Again we just got proof that lots of players for this. 12 months before a world cup is no different than 6 months (you could argue that its worse as at least Bradley had 6 months in Serie A instead of 12 months in MLS for example). Just looking at Monaco:

Falcao- Best player for Colombia, went from a UCL team and a top 3 team in a top 3 league to a recently promoted clob who isnt playing in europe before the world cup.

Moutinho- One of the best players for Portugal, went from UCL team, best team in the 5th-6th best league in the world to Monaco

Rodriguez- Colombia's 2nd or 3rd best player followed Moutinho from Porto to Monaco

Theres 3 players who are in the top 2-3 best players for their country, around the same age as Bradley who took the money and fled to a weaker team. They all could have played in a stronger league AND the UCL but chose to abandon that for Monaco. Dont say players wont do it. Monaco targeted players and brought them in. They all did exactly what Bradley did and guess what, they will all still be starting in Brazil.


Are you seriously comparing Ligue 1 to the MLS?

Moutinho and Rodriguez are getting better weekly competition than they were previously. That matters much more than the UCL (6 or so matches a year).

As for Falcao, he did go to an inferior league, but not one THAT inferior in terms of weekly competition. And by the way, people did call him a sell-out.

Bradley going from EPL/Serie A/Bundesliga to MLS is a HUGE drop-off.

Hulk went from Portugal to Russia, a smaller drop-off, and everyone was very disappointed in him and called him a sell-out because of what it would mean for the Brazilian NT. And that was a different situation: the offer came two years ago.

Original post from DragonEagle

dolcem,

There is no guarantee that the money will be there later.

If someone gives you an offer that would pay 6X what you're currently get pay, what would you do?

Pro Athletic is someone who plays sport for a living, comparing to doctor, engineer, lawyer, accountant, or any other professional workers


Bullshit. Of course the money would be there. ANY MLS team would pay Bradley that much money to be there. NYCFC would pay him more. No one thought he would do it is why it hadn't happened until now.

If I were a millionaire playing the US national team, fuck yeah I'd wait until the World Cup in six months.
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navi8132
New York
Post #258
Thursday January 9, 2014 7:20pm

Joined Jul 2012
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I don't think MBradley is as shrewd as people make him out to be. NYCFC would have been better choice on all fronts.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #259
Thursday January 9, 2014 7:29pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,748
Ligue 1 is a decent league but it isn't that much better than MLS. Sorry it's not.

People have this distorted view of European leagues because of the best teams that are in that specific league.

Take out the Bayern Munich's, the Real Madrid's, the Barcelona's, the PSG's, the Manchester City's and you are left with very average leagues.

dolcem
Post #260
Thursday January 9, 2014 7:42pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from 2tone

Ligue 1 is a decent league but it isn't that much better than MLS. Sorry it's not.



Yeah it is. Look at the players that come out of there. And now that PSG and Monaco have arrived to the scene, the league is only getting better. People are comparing it Serie A now.

And anyway, the issue is that Bradley is going from one of the Big Four to MLS. That is a big step down. It shows that he doesn't care much about his World Cup preparation (not waiting until after the World Cup to take the deal). No way you can compare the drop-off of La Liga to Ligue 1 to the drop-off of the EPL (where there were loan rumors, and yes, teams definitely would have taken him, he's a very good player) to the MLS. If Falcao was branded a sell-out than Michael Bradley sure as hell is.

I'm not saying MB90 is a bad guy or did something different than some athletes would, but he isn't quite the model pro we thought he was. There's no two ways about it. I think people are very hesitant to say anything because they never want to criticize an American player (especially Michael Bradley) but it's very, very difficult to spin this positively considering he easily could have gotten the same (after the World Cup) or more (next January for NYCFC) had he waited a little bit.
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richieJkulesaNY
Post #261
Thursday January 9, 2014 7:51pm

Joined Jun 2012
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Michael Bradley IS getting heavy criticism for this.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #262
Thursday January 9, 2014 7:58pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,748
Original post from dolcem

Yeah it is. Look at the players that come out of there. And now that PSG and Monaco have arrived to the scene, the league is only getting better. People are comparing it Serie A now.

And anyway, the issue is that Bradley is going from one of the Big Four to MLS. That is a big step down. It shows that he doesn't care much about his World Cup preparation (not waiting until after the World Cup to take the deal). No way you can compare the drop-off of La Liga to Ligue 1 to the drop-off of the EPL (where there were loan rumors, and yes, teams definitely would have taken him, he's a very good player) to the MLS. If Falcao was branded a sell-out than Michael Bradley sure as hell is.

I'm not saying MB90 is a bad guy or did something different than some athletes would, but he isn't quite the model pro we thought he was. There's no two ways about it. I think people are very hesitant to say anything because they never want to criticize an American player (especially Michael Bradley) but it's very, very difficult to spin this positively considering he easily could have gotten the same (after the World Cup) or more (next January for NYCFC) had he waited a little bit.


The model pro? What is a model pro? I don't see anything wrong with his decision at all.

A model pro looks out for his family. A model pro gets fed up being disrespected by his employers. If MLS is willing to put up the money then I don't see why any American would not want to come back to North America. If MLS is willing to put up the money for the young talented players coming up then I don't see many talented American or Canadians leaving in the future.

Europe is not the be all end all of soccer.

Jglaube
California
Post #263
Thursday January 9, 2014 8:04pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 77
Probably going to get scolded for this, although I'm not the only one who thinks this but I have lost some respect for Michael Bradley. Of course he is not going to lose his starting spot with his national team but still. I guess playing against the best in the world isn't worth it, all about the money.

dolcem
Post #264
Thursday January 9, 2014 8:10pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
Original post from 2tone

The model pro? What is a model pro? I don't see anything wrong with his decision at all.

A model pro looks out for his family. A model pro gets fed up being disrespected by his employers. If MLS is willing to put up the money then I don't see why any American would not want to come back to North America. If MLS is willing to put up the money for the young talented players coming up then I don't see many talented American or Canadians leaving in the future.

Europe is not the be all end all of soccer.


This isn't about Europe.

We're talking about World Cup preparation here. A model pro values his country, his teammates, and his career above all else. He always wants to win and to do the best he possible can.

Michael Bradley is completely fucking up his World Cup preparation. Despite not having played much this season, he is taking a two month break, and then playing in an inferior league for more money (at the age of 26) when he easily could wait six months until after the World Cup for the same amount of money or a year for even more. You can't seriously argue that what he is doing is nearly as good WC preparation as going on loan in the Premier League, Bundesliga, or Serie A. He's also totally disobeying our coach, who just got a 4 year contract.

This isn't something a model pro would do. Someone who bleeds red, white, and blue wouldn't do this six months before the World Cup, they would wait until after.

And how was he "disrespected" by Roma? The Ligue 1 comment and this, to me, are starting to border on homerism.

I'm not trying to say that Bradley is a bad pro. He just isn't the guy we thought he was.
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Loche Achles
Post #265
Thursday January 9, 2014 8:11pm

Joined Feb 2013
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Original post from Jglaube

Probably going to get scolded for this, although I'm not the only one who thinks this but I have lost some respect for Michael Bradley. Of course he is not going to lose his starting spot with his national team but still. I guess playing against the best in the world isn't worth it, all about the money.


It wouldn't be worth it to any of us if we are honest with ourselves.

We can't judge the results until it happens. What will everyone say if we go to the WC and Bradley plays a blinder in three games and we advance?? Huh?

I doubt they will be coming back praising his move... People need to get a little more perspective. And I didn't like the thought of the move at first myself, but how can you blame the guy?

mscott101487
Post #266
Thursday January 9, 2014 8:16pm

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 6
Let's say that this move is great for MLS and Bradley, is anyone else concerned that the MLS season doesn't start until March? Yes he will be "training" but the top flight leagues are in full swing at the moment. What does this do to his form? Are there any positives to come from this for the USMNT leading up to the World Cup?

dolcem
Post #267
Thursday January 9, 2014 8:17pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
Original post from Loche Achles

It wouldn't be worth it to any of us if we are honest with ourselves.

We can't judge the results until it happens. What will everyone say if we go to the WC and Bradley plays a blinder in three games and we advance?? Huh?

I doubt they will be coming back praising his move... People need to get a little more perspective. And I didn't like the thought of the move at first myself, but how can you blame the guy?


Of course he might play well. But objectively speaking, he has hindered his World Cup preparation for a quick buck that he could make after the World Cup (or more if he waits a year). That isn't something a leader should do. What kind of message does it send to the other players?

Again, I'm not trying to say he's a bad guy, but the pedestal upon which he has always been placed by the media and fans is no longer merited. We've always been told that he is this hero and warrior who places the USNT above everything else, someone who would die for the team, etc. and then he does this. To me, he's just a normal athlete. More in it for the money than anything else.
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dolcem
Post #268
Thursday January 9, 2014 8:18pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from mscott101487

Let's say that this move is great for MLS and Bradley, is anyone else concerned that the MLS season doesn't start until March? Yes he will be "training" but the top flight leagues are in full swing at the moment. What does this do to his form? Are there any positives to come from this for the USMNT leading up to the World Cup?


That's the main reason is bothers me. At least when Dempsey made his move (and that was a very different situation) he went on an off-season loan.
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ktbffhTXac
Post #269
Thursday January 9, 2014 8:18pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 124
Original post from MSantoine

Not to also be political but no it isnt. The middle class gets squeezed (the middle class range changes constantly but its still the middle class). Most laws and such dont change the millionaires as drastically


Ha. Okay man.

Jglaube
California
Post #270
Thursday January 9, 2014 8:24pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 77
Michael Bradley will be like that one Sunday League player who everyone knows shouldn't be playing Sunday League and could be playing wherever he wants. Yes, he is balling everyone up, but is due to the talent is he even improving his game?

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