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cudevil
Post #241
Thursday January 9, 2014 5:08pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 606
How do you know the same money will be there? What if he picked up an injury? Look, if this was a 5% pay raise, I could agree with you position. But ~6x the money? He can't turn that down. This is a "set your family up for life" deal. $1.2 million wouldn't do that.

dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #242
Thursday January 9, 2014 5:30pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 216
what if he gets hurt playing at the WC and can't make the 6M he's getting from Toronto post WC? He'd be STUPID not to take it now. I agree it'd be nice for him to stay in Europe and play at a high level.. but that $$$$ I'd of been on a plane in a second. this was prolly his face when TFC said how much



ktbffhTXac
Post #243
Thursday January 9, 2014 5:44pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 124
Original post from 2tone

Tell that to the 2002 USMNT.

I love it. The times are a changing. Brasil is doing the same thing. trying to keep their best players and trying to bring them back.

Europe will be less relevant in 20 years.


Please explain your rationale behind this assertion. Not trying to be confrontational, just want to hear more about why you think Europe will be less relevant in the future.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #244
Thursday January 9, 2014 5:52pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,631
For US soccer Europe will be less relevant in 20 years. The US team may have a few stars in Europe but the trend of the majority of USMNT players will continue to come from MLS. In 20 years I forsee MLS being a top 5 league in the world, and the majority of US players and star US players plying their trade in MLS.

I also forsee MLS being a destination for some of the worlds best players in 20 years.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #245
Thursday January 9, 2014 6:06pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,631
Original post from dstones77

what if he gets hurt playing at the WC and can't make the 6M he's getting from Toronto post WC? He'd be STUPID not to take it now. I agree it'd be nice for him to stay in Europe and play at a high level.. but that $$$$ I'd of been on a plane in a second. this was prolly his face when TFC said how much



That's hilarious. Well done sir.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #246
Thursday January 9, 2014 6:10pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,631
I mean who wouldn't want to play and live in California or New York or Miami or Georgia?

MLS will be a massive league in 20 years.

The US's quality of life is amazing and will continue to be amazing.

And now you have European countries taxing the hell out of millionaires.

While the US doesn't.

ktbffhTXac
Post #247
Thursday January 9, 2014 6:13pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 124
Original post from 2tone

For US soccer Europe will be less relevant in 20 years. The US team may have a few stars in Europe but the trend of the majority of USMNT players will continue to come from MLS. In 20 years I forsee MLS being a top 5 league in the world, and the majority of US players and star US players plying their trade in MLS.

I also forsee MLS being a destination for some of the worlds best players in 20 years.


I see your point. To me, the MLS (as well as the other "top" non-Euro leagues) will always be on the outside looking in, simply because of continental location. The reason people hold the Euro leagues so highly, is due to the continental competitions between the leagues (UCL, Europa) and the fact that Europe is home to the highest concentration of top footballing nations. Yes, the MLS is growing and I do believe that it will develop into a globally relevant league in terms of producing talented players. But unless the Club World Cup competition becomes a higher profile competition, I think the ceiling for the MLS is going to be the best non-Euro league in the world (if that is what you meant by a top 5 league in the world, then disregard the majority of this paragraph).

Now back to the original topic, one thing that is being overlooked right now is the fact that the two best national federations right now (Germany and Spain) have the majority of their top players playing not only in their domestic leagues, but on the top two teams in those leagues (Bayern & Dortmund, Real Madrid & Barca). It could be argued that having our top players for the USMNT playing together year in and year out in the same system would do a lot in progressing the development of the USSF into a global power. Something to consider.

Either way, just my opinion. The single most important thing for footballers is to play, so doing whatever it takes to get minutes against professional competition (regardless of the league) is a good thing.

ktbffhTXac
Post #248
Thursday January 9, 2014 6:15pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 124
Original post from 2tone

I mean who wouldn't want to play and live in California or New York or Miami or Georgia?

MLS will be a massive league in 20 years.

The US's quality of life is amazing and will continue to be amazing.

And now you have European countries taxing the hell out of millionaires.

While the US doesn't.


Not to get too political, but the US is definitely headed that direction.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #249
Thursday January 9, 2014 6:17pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,631
Original post from ktbffhTXac

Not to get too political, but the US is definitely headed that direction.


Under the current regime, yes. But the good thing about our system is that regimes change every 4 to 8 years.

platter
Jacksonville, FL
Post #250
Thursday January 9, 2014 6:21pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 97
I don't see what anyone's problem is with this move. People are overstating 2 points:
(1) Playing in Serie A is not going to make a 6 1/2 year european veteran markedly better than playing in MLS. I stress the time Bradley has spent in europe here, this would not be true of Cameron, Agudelo, Ream, and maybe even Jozy; as these players have not had the kind of playing time Michael has had. Is his level going to drop at all by leaving Roma, where he may get 10-15 games the rest of the season, as opposed to TFC where he will be getting regular PT leading up to the WC? Personally I'd rather have the assurance of regular PT to keep fit and sharp.

(2) This is a point I've had issue with for a while. People seem to think Soccer players first priority is WC and National team, on this board. I suspect this is not the case with nearly all players worldwide. There priority is with the club that pays the majority of their salary. Of course National Team is an honor, and every player wants to make WC, but this is not their first priority. $$$, where they actually live, and social/family life all take priority over National Team play. Perhaps I'm cynical, but that's just the reality. MB gives his all for USMNT, that's all you can ask.

acahmed14
Post #251
Thursday January 9, 2014 6:25pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 33
dolcem i don't think its fair to compare kaka's financial situation. kaka was making 13 million a year the last 4 years before he took a pay cut to 5.3 million.

platter
Jacksonville, FL
Post #252
Thursday January 9, 2014 6:28pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 97
Original post from 2tone

I mean who wouldn't want to play and live in California or New York or Miami or Georgia?

MLS will be a massive league in 20 years.

The US's quality of life is amazing and will continue to be amazing.

And now you have European countries taxing the hell out of millionaires.

While the US doesn't.


MLS is on the rise, as is Brazil, and the UAE league for that matter. However, Europe will remain the epicenter of world football for the foreseeable future. Simply based on the revenues generated by the established leagues: champions league, EPL, Bundesliga, etcc.......
Perhaps one day we'll see a global league which would change things, but that's way in the future.

MSantoine
Post #253
Thursday January 9, 2014 6:46pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from ktbffhTXac

Not to get too political, but the US is definitely headed that direction.


Not to also be political but no it isnt. The middle class gets squeezed (the middle class range changes constantly but its still the middle class). Most laws and such dont change the millionaires as drastically

dolcem
Post #254
Thursday January 9, 2014 6:50pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,786
Original post from cudevil

How do you know the same money will be there? What if he picked up an injury? Look, if this was a 5% pay raise, I could agree with you position. But ~6x the money? He can't turn that down. This is a "set your family up for life" deal. $1.2 million wouldn't do that.


Original post from dstones77

what if he gets hurt playing at the WC and can't make the 6M he's getting from Toronto post WC? He'd be STUPID not to take it now. I agree it'd be nice for him to stay in Europe and play at a high level.. but that $$$$ I'd of been on a plane in a second. this was prolly his face when TFC said how much



He could still get that same deal even coming off a severe injury (or more if he waited a season until NYCFC comes in). The only way he wouldn't is if it was a career-ending injury...what are the chances that would happen in the next six months (considering Bradley is not injury prone at all)?

Not saying I don't understand the decision, I just don't think anymore than Bradley is the leader and model pro everyone thinks he is. Anyone else would have waited.
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MSantoine
Post #255
Thursday January 9, 2014 6:56pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from dolcem

I'm not pissed that he did it, I'm pissed that he couldn't have waited six months until after the World Cup. Or waited a year and made a bunch more money with NYCFC. It just shows that he really doesn't give a shit about his preparation for the World Cup.

And no, he didn't do what 99% of athletes would do. How many athletes have made an Anzhi type move at the age of 26 six months before a World Cup? Look at Kaka, for example, everyone knew that if he came to the MLS he would wait until after summer of '14 because he was shooting for the World Cup. But I just thought he was better than that. The fans and media have always put him up on a pedestal as being this model pro and I don't think he deserves to be on that pedestal any more. He's just an ordinary player in my book, much more concerned with money than anything else.


Seriously. Again we just got proof that lots of players for this. 12 months before a world cup is no different than 6 months (you could argue that its worse as at least Bradley had 6 months in Serie A instead of 12 months in MLS for example). Just looking at Monaco:

Falcao- Best player for Colombia, went from a UCL team and a top 3 team in a top 3 league to a recently promoted clob who isnt playing in europe before the world cup.

Moutinho- One of the best players for Portugal, went from UCL team, best team in the 5th-6th best league in the world to Monaco

Rodriguez- Colombia's 2nd or 3rd best player followed Moutinho from Porto to Monaco

Theres 3 players who are in the top 2-3 best players for their country, around the same age as Bradley who took the money and fled to a weaker team. They all could have played in a stronger league AND the UCL but chose to abandon that for Monaco. Dont say players wont do it. Monaco targeted players and brought them in. They all did exactly what Bradley did and guess what, they will all still be starting in Brazil.

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