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chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #31
Sunday July 20, 2014 8:12pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 312
Snipes - I think that ship has sailed. He'll never see the field with the nats again, unless it's a retirement game. At this stage in his career, I don't see him pushing to test himself overseas if he doesn't have a chance to play with the nats. He's in the doldrums.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #32
Sunday July 20, 2014 9:30pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,135
Lando is 32, clearly not the player he was even two years ago, and has burnt every bridge possible with Jurgen. Not only that Jurgen has stated that he is going to be looking at youth not older players. If Lando gets called up it will be for a last January camp cupcake friendly.

rainORshine
Post #33
Monday July 21, 2014 3:11am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,783
Original post from dunlopp9987

I hate to say I told ya so, but...I told ya so.

Klinsmann announces 23 man roster on May 22nd. In LA's next two matches, Lando scores 3 goals. So many people start with the "This is what you're leaving behind", "Look at how well he's playing", etc. I (along with a few other smart folk), said the only reason he was playing like that was because he finally had a reason to try. He was rightfully left off the 23 man roster because he didn't really give a shit anymore. And for those two games, he looked great.

Guess what he's done in his last 6 matches? 1 assist. The outrage over Landon not being selected died down, the spotlight shifted to the ACTUAL 23 guys in Brazil, and Landon has gone back to playing relatively mediocre football. He played well in 2 games because he finally had some passion back inside him. Unfortunately for him, people stopped caring that he wasn't on the 23 man roster. So he's gone back to playing like he has all season.

Jurgen made some great calls that were vindicated during the World Cup. Jurgen also made some bad calls. This, in my opinion, was a good call. Landon didn't deserve to be there.


2014 MLS
landon donovan - 3 golas, 4 assists in 1298 mins
graham zusi - 1 goal, 4 assists in 1003 mins

objectively, LD has been better than zusi in 2014. subjectively, everyone aside from JK, dunlopp and "a few other smart folk" recognize that LD is a proven difference maker at the highest levels and that difference makers are the difference between winning and losing.

IN 2014 JK had the option of bringing 2 bona fide difference makers to brazil. instead he left LD home in favor of guys like zusi and bedoya. dempsey made the difference v ghana and US won 1 of 4 games.

there is no reasonable argument that LD would not have done what he has done his entire career - make a difference when it counts.

you suggest LD can and will produce when sufficiently motivated. are you suggesting that LD would not have been motivated in brazil?

sad that an unmotivated LD is still superior to a motivated zusi (or bedoya).

2 predictions:
- JK will continue to regularly make monstrous mistakes, such as he has done consistently already
- dunlopp and the "few other smart folk" will continue to lap it up

admsghs27
Post #34
Monday July 21, 2014 3:34am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,300
Dunlopp is an idiotic hater that has no KNoWLEDGE for us soccer. Just a bandwagon zdonovan hater I would of taken donovan with 1 goal I'm 30 games over Davis if he had 20 goals in 30 games. He has proved it internationally against the top teams no argument there. Davis ? Zusi ? Bedoya ? Who the F are they. They should never ever play for usa again. Green did more than 3 of them combine in 5 minutes. And please don't get me started with Wondolousy.

dunlopp9987
Post #35
Monday July 21, 2014 3:49am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,298
Original post from admsghs27

Dunlopp is an idiotic hater that has no KNoWLEDGE for us soccer. Just a bandwagon zdonovan hater I would of taken donovan with 1 goal I'm 30 games over Davis if he had 20 goals in 30 games. He has proved it internationally against the top teams no argument there. Davis ? Zusi ? Bedoya ? Who the F are they. They should never ever play for usa again. Green did more than 3 of them combine in 5 minutes. And please don't get me started with Wondolousy.


This is what I see when I try and read your posts: "Qydnqvcoqbdyw tqncy wucnaywpvmvyqocnt"

Spell check, dude. Ever go to school?

Also, Zusi had two assists at the WC. But that's fine, you can choose to ignore whatever is convenient to ignore.
COYB!!
dunlopp9987
Post #36
Monday July 21, 2014 3:53am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,298
Original post from rainORshine

2014 MLS
landon donovan - 3 golas, 4 assists in 1298 mins
graham zusi - 1 goal, 4 assists in 1003 mins

objectively, LD has been better than zusi in 2014. subjectively, everyone aside from JK, dunlopp and "a few other smart folk" recognize that LD is a proven difference maker at the highest levels and that difference makers are the difference between winning and losing.

IN 2014 JK had the option of bringing 2 bona fide difference makers to brazil. instead he left LD home in favor of guys like zusi and bedoya. dempsey made the difference v ghana and US won 1 of 4 games.

there is no reasonable argument that LD would not have done what he has done his entire career - make a difference when it counts.

you suggest LD can and will produce when sufficiently motivated. are you suggesting that LD would not have been motivated in brazil?

sad that an unmotivated LD is still superior to a motivated zusi (or bedoya).

2 predictions:
- JK will continue to regularly make monstrous mistakes, such as he has done consistently already
- dunlopp and the "few other smart folk" will continue to lap it up


You'll give up on realizing that Landon would've made a difference eventually. Just like you gave up on realizing Kljestan wasn't the next Xavi.
COYB!!
admsghs27
Post #37
Monday July 21, 2014 6:08am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,300
Original post from dunlopp9987

This is what I see when I try and read your posts: "Qydnqvcoqbdyw tqncy wucnaywpvmvyqocnt"

Spell check, dude. Ever go to school?

Also, Zusi had two assists at the WC. But that's fine, you can choose to ignore whatever is convenient to ignore.


All I see when you post is.. Blah blah blah blah Duhh Duh duh, I'm a loser.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #38
Monday July 21, 2014 6:35am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,012
Original post from dunlopp9987

You'll give up on realizing that Landon would've made a difference eventually. Just like you gave up on realizing Kljestan wasn't the next Xavi.


As much as I tend to agree with you and as much as I typically disagree with Rain, to suggest that Donovan would not have played better than Zusi, Bedoya, Davis, or even provide depth at the forward position that we desperately needed after Altidore went down is bit naive. Even in his declining form, if you want to call it that, he would have been more effective. Zusi had two assists, but I think Donovan would have had one or two of his own, and maybe a goal.

When that ball falls to Wondo's feet on the edge of the six, do you want Donovan there? Or do you want Wondo, Brad Davis, Zusi, or Bedoya there? I would pick Donovan in every scenario.

I do hate that this keeps being brought up because it's all moot at this point, but I felt I should chime in. I don't think there is anything "smart" about thinking that Donovan should be there or not. It's a matter of opinion. Those that don't typically believe so because of personal reason, locker room "stank", or lack of motivation; all are valid points. Those that wanted him there believed he would have made a difference. I'm the latter. We're in a new cycle now and regardless of what we all think and believe Donovan will NOT be in Russia when 2018 rolls around. For me, it was sad to not be able to see him suit up one last time.

MSantoine
Post #39
Monday July 21, 2014 1:19pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,205
Original post from rainORshine

IN 2014 JK had the option of bringing 2 bona fide difference makers to brazil. instead he left LD home in favor of guys like zusi and bedoya. dempsey made the difference v ghana and US won 1 of 4 games.


You do realize that 3 of the 4 games (Ghana, Germany, & Belgium) we were on our heels for most of the game and the only reason we got the results we did (which were a win, 90 minute draw, and cone goal loss to germany). A big part of the results we got was due to the defense of Zusi. Landon is a sieve. He would have let the guys run right past him all game. We would have lost 3-1, 4-0 if Landon was in there.

You cant take the one play that Wondo bobbled and Put Landon in that spot. He would have had to work himself into that spot (which he doesnt do anymore). And again Zui playing 90 minutes of 2 way soccer was more critical then 90 minutes of cherry picking waiting for a counter that Landon would have done.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #40
Monday July 21, 2014 2:22pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 287
Original post from rainORshine

2014 MLS
landon donovan - 3 golas, 4 assists in 1298 mins
graham zusi - 1 goal, 4 assists in 1003 mins



Using stats like that is like saying Lance Stephenson is better/ more effective/ better difference maker than Lebron James because he had 5 more triple doubles during the season. **buzzer sound**
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USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #41
Monday July 21, 2014 3:42pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 212
What needs to happen and this entire thing will go away (finally and thankfully).

Landon and Jurgen need to sit down and work this deal out (it benefits BOTH).

First Landon comes out and says he is retiring from International Football. USA announces a home international friendly against a team we should beat, but not a complete gimme. Play that game at a huge football stadium that hosts like 80k+ people (Jerry world or Rose bowl perhaps). Have ESPN advertise it as Landon's last game, and make the tickets more than usual, but still not too much where it won't sell out. Jurgen plays Landon 85' and takes him out to get the standing ovation.

Game will sell out, get lots of advertising money, all which benefit the USA.

Have Landon wear #57 for the game, and have limited edition uniforms on sell for the game.

Landon gets to go out how he deserves (standing ovation, etc).

All parties win.

Only thing that would be better is if Tim Howard and Clint Dempsey also announced their retirement from International Soccer and the game was a farewell for them too.
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rainORshine
Post #42
Tuesday July 29, 2014 10:24pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,783
since may 25 (lets see... yep, before WC began)...

LD has 4 goals and 4 assists

this is typical LD MVP-caliber dominance

LD at 32 is EASILY a top 5 US international and the only player that comes CLOSE to matching his CURRENT offensive capabilities is dempsey

leaving LD home was a complete joke and there is no other way to spin it

dunlopp9987
Post #43
Tuesday July 29, 2014 10:42pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,298
Original post from rainORshine

since may 25 (lets see... yep, before WC began)...

LD has 4 goals and 4 assists

this is typical LD MVP-caliber dominance

LD at 32 is EASILY a top 5 US international and the only player that comes CLOSE to matching his CURRENT offensive capabilities is dempsey

leaving LD home was a complete joke and there is no other way to spin it


So the 25th, Lando scores 2 and gets 1 assist against Philly. Then he scores a goal on the 1st against Chicago. Then nothing against Chivas, San Jose, 1 assist against Portland, nothing against RSL, nothing against New England, nothing against SKC, then a goal and assist against Seattle.

That's hardly setting the world on fire.
COYB!!
rainORshine
Post #44
Tuesday July 29, 2014 10:42pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,783
Original post from MSantoine

You do realize that 3 of the 4 games (Ghana, Germany, & Belgium) we were on our heels for most of the game and the only reason we got the results we did (which were a win, 90 minute draw, and cone goal loss to germany). A big part of the results we got was due to the defense of Zusi. Landon is a sieve. He would have let the guys run right past him all game. We would have lost 3-1, 4-0 if Landon was in there.

You cant take the one play that Wondo bobbled and Put Landon in that spot. He would have had to work himself into that spot (which he doesnt do anymore). And again Zui playing 90 minutes of 2 way soccer was more critical then 90 minutes of cherry picking waiting for a counter that Landon would have done.


5-3-2

id fell pretty secure with cameron and chandler (or fabian) manning the right. i would expect better defense and better offense

-----dempsey--boyd----------
---------donovan------------
-------bradley---jones---------
fabian------------------chandler
-----besler-brooks-cameron------

rainORshine
Post #45
Tuesday July 29, 2014 10:43pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,783
Original post from dunlopp9987

So the 25th, Lando scores 2 and gets 1 assist against Philly. Then he scores a goal on the 1st against Chicago. Then nothing against Chivas, San Jose, 1 assist against Portland, nothing against RSL, nothing against New England, nothing against SKC, then a goal and assist against Seattle.

That's hardly setting the world on fire.


you are right - for LD its just typical production

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